37: Panthers Embarrassed by Saints / Bryce Young Panic Button?

[00:00:25] What is going on everybody welcome in to another live episode of keep purring a Carolina Panthers podcast

[00:00:31] this is episode 37 and

[00:00:34] I got to say we are

[00:00:36] equal parts excited and ejected

[00:00:40] About doing tonight's episode excited because we have a special guest that's gonna be joining us Edgar Salmingo, Jr

[00:00:48] If you're on Twitter

[00:00:50] At all then you probably know him you probably follow him. He's a great follow. He's he knows his stuff

[00:00:57] Posts a lot of great information and insights all that good stuff, but dejected because obviously I mean that was

[00:01:07] Putrid that was awful

[00:01:10] We're gonna get into all the details of it, but just in general I guess Eric

[00:01:16] Where's your head at right now the few hours after the game?

[00:01:20] Uh

[00:01:21] Okay, well first of all

[00:01:24] If you're looking for a podcast that's gonna do nothing but hit on the Panthers each week that we lose

[00:01:30] That's not us

[00:01:33] You know, but it's gonna be this week probably

[00:01:37] But it was the worst football performance since the beginning of Little Giants as far as I'm concerned like it was

[00:01:44] It was as bad as it gets

[00:01:48] I

[00:01:48] You know I was watching it with my son and I didn't know how it could get worse and then it continued to get worse

[00:01:55] It was like a like a like a bad news snowball

[00:01:59] How about you man? Where are you with things?

[00:02:02] Well before I get into that just want to give a shout out to we got 52 people

[00:02:07] Watching right now 54 and counting

[00:02:10] Shout out a couple people in the chat

[00:02:12] Mike Sammy 83

[00:02:15] He just said this is canalis football

[00:02:19] Give him time

[00:02:21] He'll figure it out

[00:02:23] So hey, you know, I

[00:02:27] Believe in canalis. This is first game as a head coach, you know, we do have to give him time

[00:02:32] It's just tough for Panthers fans

[00:02:35] To have to you know say like be patient

[00:02:38] It's like the last thing Panthers fans want to hear and then Johnny here

[00:02:44] Jemarcus Russell was seven for seven and eighteen

[00:02:48] Bryce young two and sixteen so far through this point in their careers. I mean, you know, what's up Johnny?

[00:02:54] Thanks for the comment

[00:02:56] You know, I don't know if I want to get into you know comparing Bryce young to Jemarcus Russell

[00:03:01] Right now. I mean totally I get different situations different players

[00:03:05] It wasn't pretty tonight. It wasn't pretty

[00:03:09] Edgar has just joined us Edgar. I'm gonna add him here to the stream. Just give me one second here

[00:03:15] See if I can get him in here

[00:03:18] Let's see

[00:03:20] Edgar, can you hear us? You there? Hello? What's up man? Oh, can you hear us?

[00:03:36] Okay, well while he's getting that going

[00:03:39] Josh with another comment here. I'm not concerned about canalis

[00:03:44] I'm looking at how bad our players are

[00:03:47] Yeah, I mean

[00:03:48] Yeah, there might be something to that. I mean we were you know, thank you Josh. Thanks appreciate the comment

[00:03:56] You know

[00:03:58] It's it's been known that we have one of the worst

[00:04:01] rosters in the league obviously coming off a last year

[00:04:05] We traded Brian Burns

[00:04:09] Somebody else just commented

[00:04:12] A

[00:04:13] Claude Edgar is still in shock from the game

[00:04:15] Let me let me get Edgar in here see if this works this time

[00:04:20] Okay Edgar and you're us. Yep. Yes, I can hear you

[00:04:24] What's up dude? Welcome. How you doing guys? I'm good. Thanks for having me

[00:04:30] Yeah, man. So I know you you have like 15 minutes or so

[00:04:35] So I wanted to let you just go off

[00:04:39] You know, what do you want to talk about like where where's your head at? Where's your head at right now after this game, man?

[00:04:49] You know, like just natural Panthers fans

[00:04:53] Everything like that game. It's almost like there's nothing to like look at

[00:04:57] Oh, at least there was that like

[00:04:59] Nothing more good at like every phase

[00:05:03] Position every position group every phase of the games like man

[00:05:07] And after we did what happened last year

[00:05:12] Yes, like last year was bad. It was never this bad

[00:05:15] You know and so the only silver lining is is like is this is this the worst that we're gonna see this season because if this is just like

[00:05:22] This is not even the worst that we see this season

[00:05:24] I'm like we're in for a very very long season. So, you know between the Chargers at home

[00:05:28] I know you don't want to go to that game and

[00:05:31] the Raiders

[00:05:33] Out here on the West Coast like I feel like those are the those are the turning points if we go on three

[00:05:38] They're just like, okay, let's just throw our hands up

[00:05:40] Yeah, yeah, I hope that like we see something that like gives us like something to smile up like there's nothing to smile

[00:05:48] Game of that it's yeah, I I think I tweeted just like 30 40 minutes ago

[00:05:58] and

[00:05:59] And I mean this is this is kind of grasping at straws, but I said, you know that one drive in the third quarter

[00:06:08] Where you know Bryce had a couple of good completions. He had one to legate one to mingo back-to-back

[00:06:15] He went down we scored the touchdown albeit a very shaky

[00:06:20] Touchdown where Bryce fumbled as he was going into the end zone

[00:06:26] You know, how fitting is that?

[00:06:28] You know that our one touchdown was like kind of a you know, it wasn't quite clear at first

[00:06:34] It were there not it was a touchdown, but man. Yeah, there just wasn't there just wasn't a ton to take from this game

[00:06:40] What about the defense?

[00:06:43] We survived two fumbles on that drive like we yes

[00:06:49] Exactly exactly I mean so the offense was horrible, but like what what are we doing on defense man?

[00:06:55] I mean, I know that they got put in some bad

[00:06:58] Situations some bad fuel positions things like that

[00:07:01] But like the Saints scored on like their first six or seven drives in a row on our defense like it was horrible

[00:07:10] Like and whatever play they wanted to run

[00:07:14] Yarns right like I don't wanna come here again. I don't want to hear about taste some hill again

[00:07:18] I don't wanna you know that first deep

[00:07:20] I feel like they just got self-shelf shocked after the D pass to Rashid Shaheed and then the interception

[00:07:54] Oh my god, I did that was like this game is

[00:07:55] You hear the first part of what you were saying, but you kind of started breaking up there

[00:08:00] Yeah, man, I just I

[00:08:03] Think you were talking about the run like establishing the run maybe

[00:08:07] Yeah, so it was just I

[00:08:10] Kind of wrote that down of just like that was one of my main kind of overarching observations of just like man

[00:08:17] You know, we've talked all off season about wanting to

[00:08:21] establish the run and I feel like

[00:08:24] What I feel like happened in this game and it's kind of stating the obvious but

[00:08:30] They got up quick. They literally started out with a 59 yard touchdown pass

[00:08:36] I mean, I remember I was out at I was running errands. I didn't get to watch the game live

[00:08:41] And so I was running errands with my wife and my daughter and I got a notification on my watch from the NFL app

[00:08:48] And it said the Panthers Saints game starts out with a 59 yard bomb, but it didn't say which team

[00:08:55] Which team got the touchdown so I was like oh tease. Oh my god. Let me pull up my

[00:09:02] NFL app just to see that it was

[00:09:05] Shaheed

[00:09:07] This is like the worst possible outcome for how this game could start and then somehow it got worse

[00:09:14] Like that's the that's the thing is like somehow after every bad thing it continued to get worse

[00:09:21] Yeah, and it was so incredibly frustrating

[00:09:25] But yeah say what you want to about the about the the offense and the struggles there clearly

[00:09:29] There were a number of them

[00:09:30] But of all the things I expected us to do giving up what was it ended up being 47 was not on my bingo card tonight

[00:09:38] You know Edgar, what do you think went wrong? What do you think went wrong there? Oh?

[00:09:43] No, we lost it. Yeah. Yeah, I think he's having some internet connection. His can a his connection was very good

[00:09:49] Oh, let's answer your own question. What do you what do you think went wrong with the deep? I mean

[00:09:56] It was it was like every everything that they wanted to execute they could yeah, and

[00:10:02] That was the most frustrating part about it is it didn't seem like we could do anything to slow the freight train down

[00:10:10] and

[00:10:11] the

[00:10:16] I don't know enough about the X's and the O's to

[00:10:19] diagnose

[00:10:20] You know what went wrong and what was continuing to go wrong?

[00:10:25] It looked like we were getting some pressure on the quarterback, but we couldn't quite

[00:10:29] you know, we were always about a foot away in terms of being able to

[00:10:34] To get to almost got one sack. Yeah, but I think that was I think that was a component of it

[00:10:39] but like we just saw that speed can kill and

[00:10:44] And you know, we weren't we weren't equipped to handle the speed we weren't equipped to handle taste and hill

[00:10:50] And the different things that he could bring

[00:10:54] Like what the hell I am too. I don't get it. I mean he's he's very good, but like

[00:11:02] Why doesn't anybody else have that guy

[00:11:05] Maybe they mean I know I know that he's like a good football player. I you know, but you just

[00:11:12] You know what he's gonna do, you know what he is, you know what he's gonna do they lined him up at one point

[00:11:18] Also Josh there said

[00:11:20] Josh with the comment. I didn't like the defense last season and today didn't change my opinion

[00:11:26] Yeah, I mean, you know to your point Josh. I mean

[00:11:31] This I don't know if I was ever this I don't I think my concern level right now about the defense after today

[00:11:39] I don't know if it was ever

[00:11:42] This bad last season

[00:11:45] No, and again, this is not where we thought we were gonna have an issue this year now

[00:11:50] No, we we hey we lost three excellent players are top three. Yeah, attackers, you know, but yeah

[00:11:56] This was not in my realm of possibilities in terms of how the the defense was gonna perform. Yeah, what's up Edgar?

[00:12:04] Yeah

[00:12:07] Now you're good man

[00:12:09] Was kind of messing up there we're I think right before you cut off

[00:12:13] We Eric was just asking you like as far as it from a defensive perspective like we gave up 47 points and

[00:12:20] Somebody just commented Josh in the chat here

[00:12:24] Just commented. I didn't like the defense last season

[00:12:28] Today didn't change my opinion and then Jack Bryce here in the comments said

[00:12:34] Defense was always our strong suit. It was very shocking to see so like what what happened man. What was that?

[00:12:42] I mean, like it's a cop like you know to sound like a broken record

[00:12:46] But like I feel like it's a combination of factors right like a whole bunch in a whole bunch of new people that have never played together

[00:12:50] They're trying to communicate

[00:12:52] Offense giving up like the defense was gas because you're you're not keeping the ball

[00:12:57] So like right after 59 yard bomb your first is interception and the defense goes back on the field

[00:13:01] Yeah, and then just the pit the playmakers didn't play right and so like I remember watching the game on TV

[00:13:07] And they're like we haven't even heard we haven't said Derek Brown's name

[00:13:09] You know, we haven't even said to David and clownies, right?

[00:13:11] We haven't said you know JC like and then there was the miscommunication and so like I know big confluence of factors

[00:13:17] Again, hopefully it's an anomaly, but like and I agree a little bit with Josh

[00:13:20] Like I didn't think the defense was like I know like the numbers looked amazing

[00:13:24] But I could think we're kind of skewed because the peppers are always losing so the

[00:13:28] Offense is gonna put their foot on the pedal as they could yeah, but I felt like you know

[00:13:33] They they were okay, but they were still below average and all considering and so I think it's slightly overrated

[00:13:38] But I thought you know a Sean Robinson would be better

[00:13:40] I thought you know the back end with Jordan Fuller and Mike Jackson

[00:13:44] Right, AC ho are all these like all these but I don't know maybe just need the time

[00:13:48] Maybe they were gassed but yeah, just just a combination of factors that made it look really really bad

[00:13:52] The first play that 59 yard bomb, you know watching that happen

[00:13:57] I kind of rewinded it and watched it a couple times and

[00:13:59] It looked like maybe it was a blown coverage by Jordan Fuller on the back end

[00:14:05] JC Hormes kind of throwing his hands up like what are we doing type of thing and man within

[00:14:11] Literally after that one after that first drive

[00:14:14] You saw Jadavian clowny on the sideline like barking at his teammates

[00:14:18] That's never a good sign when we literally just started our first game and

[00:14:24] We've already got guys yelling at each other on the sidelines to like hey

[00:14:27] Let's like get in pitch your head in the game right now and to your point Edgar

[00:14:31] I

[00:14:32] Think that was maybe in the second half

[00:14:34] One of the announcers pointed out they were like we haven't we haven't heard

[00:14:40] Derek Brown's name Jadavian clowny's name. They haven't they've kind of been non-existent

[00:14:45] And they haven't made an impact at all and I mean I guess you can chalk some of that up to the Saints game plan

[00:14:51] But like we weren't really getting pressure on Derek Carr

[00:14:55] I don't know if we did we sack him at all. I think we might have sacked him once we got one

[00:15:00] But it was like a one yard sack

[00:15:02] Yeah from Leota Leota. Okay, so Leota got the only sack

[00:15:08] Now somebody

[00:15:10] Somebody put this in the comments and I did want to point this out because this is something I had written down to

[00:15:16] Mike I was actually pretty impressed with Mike Jackson

[00:15:19] Yeah, Jack it Jack in the comments Mike Jackson had a good game

[00:15:23] He he was like one of the only kind of bright spots for me. Yeah on the defense

[00:15:29] You know JC Horn had a couple nice plays Shaq Thompson

[00:15:34] You know he it was good to see him out there obviously like he had a couple nice tackles

[00:15:38] But let's uh Edgar. I know you probably have not a ton of time left. Um, sure

[00:15:43] I want to just get your thoughts real quick on

[00:15:46] On Bryce young like

[00:15:48] What was your takeaway? Where's your head at with?

[00:15:51] Bryce after what was a very unfortunate day?

[00:15:55] Yeah, I mean like I'm a self-proclaimed like Bryce apologists

[00:15:59] And so yeah last year after watching the games after watching QB school after watching everything

[00:16:03] He went through with the six different left guards and seventh right guards and all these different things like okay like

[00:16:09] We're in a good spot now, but I feel like

[00:16:12] Again, he's a very slow very little margin for error like there was no run game, right?

[00:16:17] There was just like you know a whole bunch of scheme wise look a little bit messy

[00:16:20] And I just felt like you know like he needs to step up and do the things that he can do

[00:16:25] But like I just feel like his margin of error like his margin for error for him was so small

[00:16:29] And so like without any run game without anybody to like pick up like yak for him

[00:16:32] It's like you have to put it on just not that he's really just not at that point right now

[00:16:36] To be able to take a team put on his back and then go, but I wish they had he had the help that he could get

[00:16:44] Yeah

[00:16:45] It was unfortunate

[00:16:48] What about you Eric? Did you what were your thoughts on Bryce? Yeah?

[00:16:52] I mean he just it was interesting. I think that we did a good job getting him

[00:16:58] Giving him some time to throw

[00:17:02] And you know

[00:17:03] Scheming some ways to get him out of the pocket where he you know historically

[00:17:07] You know, it's been said that he was a little bit more comfortable there. He was just missing his throws

[00:17:11] he just wasn't accurate and

[00:17:14] If he had if he if he had been accurate

[00:17:17] There's a number of plays. Hey listen that first that first play would have hit Deontay

[00:17:22] Streaking across the middle of the field and it would have been a huge game

[00:17:25] It was a perfect play and it was gonna it if he had made it it would have established

[00:17:31] This is what we're going to be doing this season. We now have somebody

[00:17:35] to throw to

[00:17:37] Who can get yards after the catch who can do those things and and he missed it and

[00:17:42] You know, not that everything has to be on that one throw, but it just it just set the wrong tone

[00:17:48] I mean it it

[00:17:50] Everybody was already dejected because we just gave up that long path, you know

[00:17:54] We needed Bryce to come in and show that hey

[00:17:59] This is gonna be a different team this year and instead it was like watching a worse version of last year

[00:18:05] and and and Bryce

[00:18:07] He stood up at the podium and said hey, it's all on me

[00:18:10] but

[00:18:11] That doesn't we just we need the performance. I appreciate the accountability

[00:18:16] But we need the performance and the long and short of it is he just was not

[00:18:21] The quarterback that we expected to see in the first game

[00:18:26] Yeah, and I'm gonna you know, like I said what we've said Edgar's

[00:18:31] Gonna have to hop off at some point in the near future

[00:18:34] So I'll get I'll get deeper into like my thoughts on on Bryce, but

[00:18:40] Yeah, somebody

[00:18:43] Somebody in the chat here. So I want to throw this up. They said most concerning is

[00:18:47] He had protection

[00:18:50] He couldn't hit receivers he looks scared and lacks confidence. Yeah, you know it

[00:18:57] Thank you for the comment

[00:18:58] What is it sat bull? How do you say that? Thank you for that?

[00:19:02] Yeah, I just I don't it's hard to say if a guy I feel like saying a guy looks scared is a very subjective

[00:19:09] Thing like I mean he wasn't good. He was missing open guys

[00:19:14] I don't I don't know if that necessarily means he was scared. I just think it means that

[00:19:20] He wasn't good. He was inaccurate, you know, he was maybe maybe he was rattled. Maybe he was scared. I don't know

[00:19:27] But it just it's just very discouraging

[00:19:32] Edgar

[00:19:34] Did you have any other

[00:19:37] takeaways from the game before you have to go that

[00:19:41] That stuck out to you like what did you think about can Alice like his scheme his offensive scheme?

[00:19:46] Like did you notice anything from that perspective that was encouraging or discouraging?

[00:19:52] From your end. Yeah, I mean like scheme wise. I think like on the office

[00:19:55] I think one of the more depressing parts is like, hey

[00:19:59] What are one of the things that we can hang our hat on?

[00:20:01] Yeah, can Alice said at the beginning like this is what we're gonna be good at

[00:20:04] He's like, oh, we're gonna be good

[00:20:05] We're gonna be about the ball and then we give up the ball like three times right

[00:20:08] You know twice, but we

[00:20:10] Right and then like, you know when the going gets tough

[00:20:13] I know like he has like this even killed approach where we're down 17 zero

[00:20:16] We're down like, you know 30 like it's like when are we gonna like buckle down and just rally the guys and be like

[00:20:22] Right enough to nut like because I felt like I know like I was watching on TV, right?

[00:20:26] And I felt like they were like literally bullying the Panthers with no pushback, right like the flex by by Derek Carr

[00:20:32] I was like, this is so disgusting. This is so annoying and frustrating and then like last year

[00:20:37] We had Derek Brown like throwing hurling guys, you know, and we had like

[00:20:41] Cameron Jordan, I forgot who was but I think it was yeah, Derek Brown was John

[00:20:45] It's like I just like just some fight some moxie some whatever and so yes

[00:20:49] So from a scheme wise and stuff like I'm gonna give it a pass in the sense that like we were out of like

[00:20:54] After we got down like 17 zero 20 plus, you know, zero like yeah

[00:20:58] Yeah

[00:20:59] Like the whole playbooks out the window

[00:21:01] We're just kind of flying by our seat of our pants here

[00:21:04] But I know like kind of like the things that you said we were gonna be strong at like if you didn't say we're gonna be strong

[00:21:09] At these things you didn't say we were gonna be you know, this this is gonna be our identity or personality like Dan Morgan

[00:21:14] So hey, we're gonna be a team of dogs right and we're gonna be physical

[00:21:16] We're gonna make make our logo fear and I was like hey

[00:21:18] If you're gonna say these things like if you're gonna suck at least you have that piece

[00:21:21] That's you're gonna be good at and all those things that they sold us on like

[00:21:25] Like those were like our worst parts of the Panthers performance today

[00:21:29] Yeah, you know, I think I feel like we saw we saw some some new wrinkles and things that I hadn't seen before

[00:21:37] You know the play that

[00:21:39] What he got in first down to Taveon Sanders, you know holding brought the run back

[00:21:44] There was a there was a cool like weird little like pitch thing in there now Sanders. That was yeah

[00:21:48] Yeah, yeah, I was sitting on the couch. I was like whoa, I looked at my son and at the same time

[00:21:53] He was like what was that that was cool

[00:21:55] And so like so there were cool there were some cool things like that and like that first play like I said

[00:21:59] I think that that was a that was the perfect play to have dialed up. We just didn't execute on it

[00:22:04] And so I was encouraged by some of the scheme stuff

[00:22:06] I was in I was encouraged that like my friend Matt texted me earlier today

[00:22:12] That it wasn't just run up the middle run up the middle in completion punt

[00:22:16] Right like that we saw all of last year, right? And so

[00:22:21] I'm yeah, I'm trying to go like a little bit of some of the glasses have full type stuff

[00:22:25] I was encouraged by some of it

[00:22:27] But at the end of the day the team just didn't execute and I think that we probably saw some of analysis and experience

[00:22:32] in play calling and as a head coach today where

[00:22:36] The the train it was a runaway train and he even said something at the end is in his first conference about like

[00:22:42] By the time he realized that it was a theme

[00:22:45] It was too late right by the time he realized that we were not going to be doing anything

[00:22:50] And their offense was going to be able to do whatever they wanted to it was already too late

[00:22:54] And I think that

[00:22:56] That's probably we're going to see some growing pains in and Bryce as well

[00:22:59] But I think that this kind of holds a little bit of a mirror up and helps us recognize

[00:23:02] We're going to have growing pains

[00:23:04] At the in the head coach play calling level as well. Yeah, no, that's a great point

[00:23:09] That's a really good point

[00:23:10] That reminded me too what Eric said like one interesting wrinkle that I noticed or

[00:23:14] Like between the buffalo game and this game in that in that drive you mentioned Ben in the

[00:23:19] In the third quarter like we get close to the red

[00:23:21] So and then maybe again, this is a weird negative game scripts that we had today

[00:23:24] But like they like pass a lot in the reds

[00:23:27] Right, no, they just don't run the ball and so like right I tweeted like I'd die happy man

[00:23:32] If I don't see like a wide receiver fade anymore just like

[00:23:35] It's like it's like let's throw the crate to me out there wouldn't like the create like the wrinkles he said Eric

[00:23:39] I was like, oh, right. Let's just let's just throw a fade. Let's just do that right and so right

[00:23:43] I'm just it's just curious to me like they he liked he said he's going to establish the run

[00:23:48] But like when they were down in the red zone, he really really likes the pass of rice. Yeah

[00:23:52] Okay, yeah, like Jack here says like hey, Chuba was hardly on the field

[00:23:55] You know, we we should have seen more

[00:23:58] Should have seen more of that and I think it was just because like I said he he

[00:24:02] It got away from him too fast, you know, Callum can Alice just didn't recognize what was going on

[00:24:08] And it got away too fast and then the entire game plan was out the window

[00:24:12] Yeah, I wondered if and then it bloop in my face

[00:24:15] But I was like what I wonder why we're seeing so many miles sandiers

[00:24:18] And I thought like maybe they want to be past pro because they're we're in a passing

[00:24:21] situations now, but then like he got blasted in a one of those

[00:24:24] Up oh, yeah, and he got and Bryce got sacked and I was just like man. Maybe that's not I don't know

[00:24:29] I don't know why we didn't see Chuba

[00:24:30] Well, I think you know it's kind of like I was mentioning earlier. I feel like

[00:24:35] The plan was to run the ball

[00:24:38] See that's what can Alice has been preaching and real quick. I just want to point out

[00:24:42] We've got 208 people watching right 211 people now watching on twitter and youtube. So what's up everybody? Thank you

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[00:24:54] um, but yeah, that's what that's kind of what um, that's what I was saying like

[00:24:59] Can Alice wants to run the ball but man we were down 17 to nothing in like the blink of an eye

[00:25:05] It was crazy. Yeah, and when that happens

[00:25:08] I mean you kind of have to

[00:25:11] improvise and go away from

[00:25:13] Your your game plan and this was literally I'm not trying to make a bunch of excuses for Dave can Alice but

[00:25:19] This is the fact of the matter. This was literally his first time ever

[00:25:24] having to do that

[00:25:25] Yeah, and yeah, I I know that we don't want to be patient. We don't have the patience as panthers fans

[00:25:32] We want to win right now. I want to win more than anybody

[00:25:36] But it's also going to take some time. I just didn't think it was gonna

[00:25:41] be that

[00:25:43] That's the thing like I would have been fine if we had lost today

[00:25:46] We we have been preaching

[00:25:48] Since before the draft that it is going to take a long time guys like we I mean we've been saying that for months

[00:25:54] So if somebody wasn't listening then hey, that's on them. We knew it was going to take time

[00:25:59] We we knew that where we started the year was not where we wanted to be at the end of the year

[00:26:04] It's not where we want to even be at the game five

[00:26:06] Yeah, but I don't think that people expected us to have started so far back

[00:26:11] From where we like where we are now

[00:26:13] They expected us to be farther ahead than we are and so the fact that we just got our ass is destroyed

[00:26:20] Is a surprise because none of us expected it to be that bad

[00:26:24] We expected it to not be great, but we didn't expect it to be that bad

[00:26:27] And I think that that's where the oh my god. It wasn't just that we we lost by a touchdown

[00:26:33] We got

[00:26:34] Wiped off of the turf. Yeah

[00:26:37] 100%

[00:26:38] Josh in the comments here. I agree play calling to me wasn't the issue

[00:26:43] Um, thank you, josh. Yeah. I mean like we said it's uh from a scheme perspective

[00:26:48] There were some encouraging things but guys just weren't executing like can now I said that I believe in his in his postgame presser

[00:26:54] And not that he was putting it all back on the players like he's accountable too, but like

[00:26:59] We weren't executed. We didn't execute like brice didn't execute

[00:27:02] He had he had protection at times and he he had time

[00:27:07] To find an open guy and he just wasn't able to do it

[00:27:10] um, edgar

[00:27:12] How much more time can you give us what you got five 10 minutes something like that?

[00:27:16] If you give me a question, I'll answer it and I'll hop off but I owe you guys another one like well

[00:27:20] We've got to we got to have a conversation next time

[00:27:23] Yeah, man. Yeah, we'll get you we'll get you back on. Okay, so

[00:27:26] um

[00:27:27] Let's see. Okay, where do we go? I got I got a last question. Yeah, it's gonna be like, where do we go from here?

[00:27:32] Like how do you how do you see the next three weeks kind of unfolding as we're trying to navigate

[00:27:40] A change in uh and expectations

[00:27:44] Yeah, I mean

[00:27:45] I think these two big these two next games are the biggest ones like it's against the chargers at home

[00:27:50] I know that they you know, they they beat the raiders kind of handily

[00:27:53] But the chargers are traveling across the country on their time

[00:27:57] They're playing at 10 a.m. And so like they're already off new head coach

[00:28:01] You know, they're new schemes also. So like there's no excuse there. We have a new coach

[00:28:05] We have new scheme all I know they have justin herbert, but you know and then also like

[00:28:10] Between that and the raiders like and and the and the ass whooping that they got today excuse my language like

[00:28:16] Like how does this how does this team? What is this team's personality?

[00:28:20] What is there?

[00:28:20] What is their culture going to be like because you just take this and so these next two games

[00:28:24] We'll really see like what they're really made of I mean, it's a lot like you said

[00:28:28] It's a long journey

[00:28:28] Like you mentioned we're trying to be patient here

[00:28:31] But in terms of this particular season these two games will tell us a lot about like the metal of this team

[00:28:36] Because I know as fans us fans that have been around for a while

[00:28:40] We've seen six straight losing seasons and so saying that it's a long journey just doesn't work for us

[00:28:44] Obviously canals deserves a longer thing, but we saw what happened last year

[00:28:48] And so I guess another I guess the way I want to see is like I don't want this to fall even further

[00:28:53] Like I can't I don't it can't be worse than today

[00:28:56] Right

[00:28:57] I think that if you are knock on some wood if you're gonna say that

[00:29:01] Easy now easy

[00:29:02] I can't be worse than today and so like give us give us something and so

[00:29:07] I'm still hanging in my head on like that buffalo series. I know it's like

[00:29:11] Grass me and straws here preseason against the backups or whatever, but like they established the run

[00:29:16] They were winning the trenches. They were you know, they were making easy things for Bryce

[00:29:20] And so like let's just say

[00:29:22] Okay, you were out of the game script because of like the punch in the mouth that you got at the beginning

[00:29:26] So like let's see what a regular game looks like and see how it stands up

[00:29:29] But if we see more of this, I think the other question we're going to ask which a lot of people on twitter asking is like

[00:29:34] Is this year going to be like the evaluation of Bryce young because if he struggles like this, you know for majority of the season

[00:29:39] Like do you want to see another like?

[00:29:42] I'm a history lesson here like back in 2010 and jimmy clausen had the reins

[00:29:46] We were like this is definitely not it and that's that's what prompted them to draft cam Newton

[00:29:50] And so are we in a position to say like we're this bad

[00:29:54] We're going to go into direction or is he like average enough is like, oh, let's see you another

[00:29:57] Let's do another year of this and so those are the types of things I want to see in these next couple of weeks

[00:30:01] This next month

[00:30:02] um, is that the development of Bryce young and like the the metal the

[00:30:07] The fortitude of what this team is made out of or they're gonna be like last year where everyone fights against themselves

[00:30:12] players of joy and coaches are there's this harmony or whatever like

[00:30:17] I'm at the point where I just want to avoid the the bottom bottom of like what we experienced last year and just give us

[00:30:22] It doesn't have to be like a win, but like an upward trajectory would be would be nice

[00:30:27] Yeah, it would be very nice. Yeah

[00:30:30] All right. Well, thanks. Thanks so much for joining us. I know you got to hop off man

[00:30:34] No worries at all. We'll get you back on we'll get you back on for a full thank you episode sometime soon

[00:30:39] Yeah, thanks for having me like if you have it like follow these guys

[00:30:42] Like subscribe all that stuff because like I support, you know the content creators people who hustle you guys

[00:30:48] You guys work with tails often

[00:30:50] So you guys help like a negative bad season like feel a little bit better

[00:30:54] So I just want to say as a fan and as a colleague just appreciate the work that you do

[00:30:58] I appreciate you man. Sweet man and likewise. I

[00:31:01] You're if everybody on here if you don't follow edger, I'm sure you probably all do

[00:31:06] At panthers analyst on twitter. He is fantastic. He's one of the best followers on panthers twitter in my humble opinion

[00:31:14] Um, thank you so much man. We appreciate you. Thanks. We'll do it again

[00:31:18] Yeah, man. See you. Bye. Bye Eric

[00:31:21] See you. All right. See you

[00:31:24] I like edger

[00:31:27] He's a good egg

[00:31:29] um, but good egg egg ger

[00:31:32] Edg Edg yeah egg ger

[00:31:35] and god dad jokes dad jokes for the wind

[00:31:38] Well, you got two of us on here. So, you know, the dad jokes are gonna flow

[00:31:42] Yeah, so let's let's continue the conversation about brice

[00:31:46] Um because we've got some comments here. I want to throw up josh

[00:31:49] I need to see brice be able to make basic

[00:31:53] passes moving forward

[00:31:55] This game has me nervous

[00:31:58] Uh

[00:31:59] I'm gonna struggle with the with the pronunciation of this one. Um starts with the k though. What's up starts with the k

[00:32:07] um

[00:32:08] We gutted the defense to improve the offense to see if brice young is the guy and it doesn't look good

[00:32:14] It's not just one game. It's been 17 and he's just not an nfl quarterback

[00:32:21] What's your reaction to that eric?

[00:32:25] We either have to give last year a pass or we don't

[00:32:28] And and that's the deal like we can't pick and choose when it's convenient to say that last year

[00:32:35] brice didn't have a chance and last year

[00:32:38] brice was able to you know, uh display his full capabilities

[00:32:42] We we can't have it both ways

[00:32:44] So we either need to say that

[00:32:46] We he should judge him based off of how he played last year or we should say he gets a pass from last year

[00:32:53] and

[00:32:53] React accordingly for me. I'm on the

[00:32:57] Last year really doesn't matter all that much. Um, it's one year of experience actually kind of in a locker room and all of that

[00:33:04] But as far as getting the a feel for

[00:33:07] How a successful uh team can can run he did not

[00:33:12] That at all. This is his first opportunity with that. Um

[00:33:16] So

[00:33:17] I'm gonna judge him relatively harshly because we've seen better from him

[00:33:22] So, yeah, we we should we should expect him to hit those passes that he missed today

[00:33:28] Even on even one of the commentators on on uh the game said an nfl quarterback should hit that throw 100 of the time

[00:33:36] Yes, so and I know exactly which pass you're talking about it was to deontay johnson

[00:33:41] and

[00:33:42] Bryce had he had a pass rush coming into his face

[00:33:47] pause and he um

[00:33:50] He backed up

[00:33:52] back foot

[00:33:53] And kind of faded away as he was throwing it instead of stepping into it and absorbing the hit did last year

[00:33:59] And and he overthrew it and that's what he did a lot last year. So exactly what he did last year

[00:34:04] right

[00:34:05] You know, so like it's just it's so it's so frustrating and quite frankly

[00:34:11] It does give me a glimmer of hope because we have seen him do this well

[00:34:16] Yeah, and I don't know if something was off today or not

[00:34:19] I think that the runaway

[00:34:22] Feeling that snowball effect of the of the game

[00:34:26] Man just a lot of things went wrong right there at the very beginning if if brice hadn't thrown that pick right away

[00:34:31] We had hit deontay and we could have put a drive together

[00:34:34] Then we're still on even footing and instead we we flipped everything so

[00:34:40] I'm going to give

[00:34:41] Bryce a little bit of pass on some of the x's and the os some of the adjustments some of the the site checks and stuff that should have happened

[00:34:49] Uh, you know because it is a new system, you know in that regard

[00:34:52] But i'm not going to give them a pass from the fundamentals. Yeah, uh, you are the first round pick

[00:34:58] In an nfl draft

[00:35:00] Your fundamentals should be pretty damn sound and they they just weren't today. Yeah

[00:35:06] um

[00:35:08] I'm just going to call it calyx because I don't know how to pronounce it calyx

[00:35:12] Um, still going to watch every game and talk my shit when we get our two to four wins

[00:35:17] Yeah. Yeah, absolutely. Um, I think we're all going to do that. Um

[00:35:21] Just I want to go back to his previous comment and add to it but chuck shout out chuck billyet. He is um

[00:35:28] Super nice dude

[00:35:30] What's up chuck?

[00:35:31] I'm glad to have you here. Um, he's always long time a long time follower. So long time listener a long time follower

[00:35:37] Um, we appreciate you buddy

[00:35:39] um, but he agrees with you

[00:35:42] Eric that play was shocking to see

[00:35:44] Um, I want to go back though to this to this comment here and kind of expand on that discussion

[00:35:50] Bryce young, you know

[00:35:51] I certainly understand there's people out there that that

[00:35:56] Simply just don't believe that bryce young is an nfl quarterback

[00:36:00] Um, and I think that you could actually you know

[00:36:04] People that think that you could probably be cobbled together an argument

[00:36:09] um

[00:36:09] To to make a pretty compelling point when it comes to that with some examples and you know

[00:36:17] Solid points and all that stuff

[00:36:19] But to your point earlier eric. I mean

[00:36:23] I saw things last year that were encouraging throughout the struggles

[00:36:28] There were games where he had some

[00:36:31] terrible terrible games 100 100% he had some terrible games

[00:36:36] But he also had a couple of performances

[00:36:39] That were super encouraging

[00:36:41] I don't want to you know

[00:36:44] Go back into detail about all its last season was last season

[00:36:47] and like you said earlier like

[00:36:50] We either need to

[00:36:51] Say that we're gonna give him a pass for last year or not

[00:36:54] And if we're not gonna and I understand people not giving him a pass for last year because

[00:36:58] I'm kind of in the middle with that

[00:37:01] I don't necessarily agree with completely giving him a pass for last year

[00:37:06] I also don't agree with with putting the majority of the blame on him for last year. Yeah

[00:37:12] I think it's somewhere in the middle. I think

[00:37:16] He was a victim of a

[00:37:19] an absolutely

[00:37:22] atrocious situation

[00:37:24] I mean he walked into a hornet's nest. Let's be honest for sure. It was

[00:37:27] And again, it was another about face. We thought it was going to be an amazing opportunity and environment for him

[00:37:32] And it was a shit show. So it was a shit show. Yeah

[00:37:37] Complete shit show, you know, you had someone behind the scenes with the coaching staff

[00:37:41] You had frank right changing the dam offense three separate times in the off season

[00:37:46] He had frank, you know, you had the offensive coaching staff playing hot potato with who was gonna put who was gonna call plays

[00:37:53] um, you had

[00:37:55] An offensive line that couldn't block. He had receivers that couldn't get open

[00:37:59] And brice young also contributed to the poor play he himself also didn't play well

[00:38:04] But I saw enough flashes myself last year to say, you know what? I think he actually

[00:38:11] Has something I think there's something in there

[00:38:14] We just have to mine it and he has to be in a better situation and have better players around him

[00:38:19] To be able to show that we were at the texans game last year

[00:38:23] No, it wasn't the best offensive performance ever

[00:38:26] But he played pretty well and he led us on a game winning drive. That was an impressive game

[00:38:31] He goes up against the uh the packers and I know the packers didn't have a very good defense

[00:38:36] But they're still in an f l defense. So i'm not about that. Yes

[00:38:40] He goes up against the packers squares off squares up against jordan love

[00:38:44] And he almost led us on another

[00:38:47] Potential game tying drive at the end of that game

[00:38:50] It was literally we were just a second away from him being able to spike the ball

[00:38:54] And us kicking a field goal to be able to potentially tie that game and take it into overtime

[00:39:00] Atlanta comes into bank of america stadium

[00:39:03] It's a damn monsoon

[00:39:06] You know coming down and it's a just an ugly game, you know and

[00:39:09] You know neither team is is scoring a lot of points

[00:39:12] But brice toughed it out. He made a lot of actually pretty impressive throws in horrible conditions

[00:39:20] And what did he do?

[00:39:22] game winning drive

[00:39:23] game winning drive

[00:39:25] so

[00:39:26] Those are some examples and then even in some of the games we lost man. I saw some I saw some

[00:39:31] Good throws here and there good decisions some encouraging things. So like

[00:39:36] I'm again, uh k licks. However you say it. Um, appreciate you

[00:39:40] Coming on and your input

[00:39:42] I'm not at the point where i'm like, I don't think brice young is an nfl quarterback

[00:39:47] I think it's too early to say that

[00:39:49] He's one game into his second season with a brand new head coach

[00:39:53] And a brand new scheme and all that stuff

[00:39:56] That said

[00:39:59] Today was awful

[00:40:01] Yeah

[00:40:02] today

[00:40:04] Today was bad. It was the worst football I've

[00:40:08] I can remember seeing it was it was it was really bad. Um

[00:40:14] Yeah

[00:40:17] I don't know but I will say that again

[00:40:20] There seemed to be a number of things that kind of you know contributed to today

[00:40:26] You know

[00:40:28] But i'm with you. I think it's like

[00:40:31] He's got to be held responsible for for some of the things that he could have controlled and the things that he could have controlled are

[00:40:38] His accuracy and and all of those things

[00:40:41] well, and he wasn't like

[00:40:44] qp88 here in the chat. What's up? Um, I'll give brice a pass for last year

[00:40:48] But if he keeps playing like he did today, I'm not giving him another pass. Yeah

[00:40:52] You know totally fair

[00:40:54] Totally fair. He's he was the number one pick like we've said all off season

[00:41:00] He's got a lot to prove. He has a lot to prove

[00:41:04] this year

[00:41:04] I mean it's it's

[00:41:09] We're in a situation. Wait, are you gonna be on your shoulders, man?

[00:41:13] Yes, yes, no, you're fine. We're in a situation where we have

[00:41:16] We have to keep it's it's so tough, man. We're in such a tough spot because

[00:41:22] We have to keep in mind that we have a

[00:41:25] first time head coach

[00:41:28] Brand new scheme

[00:41:30] Um, but that being said there's no more excuses

[00:41:34] There's no more excuses for brice

[00:41:37] um

[00:41:38] Josh here

[00:41:39] I saw enough good from brice last year also but today brice looked rough

[00:41:45] Yep 100 percent. Yeah

[00:41:50] Um, but I do I do hope that this is one of those opportunities where one

[00:41:54] One of the things that was highly touted

[00:41:57] About brice when we were when we were going through the draft process

[00:42:01] Yeah, uh, what's his mental toughness and how he you know psychologically

[00:42:06] Um, he is very strong and I think that based off of what we saw today

[00:42:11] He's gonna need that this week and he's gonna need that over the next couple of weeks

[00:42:15] Especially if he doesn't perform, uh quite a get quite a bit better

[00:42:18] The pressure is only gonna mount um, and I think that

[00:42:22] You know, I don't know if anybody else has this feeling. Uh, tell us if y'all do but like

[00:42:28] The I feel like this is deja vu all over again from last year

[00:42:32] and the the reason why is because

[00:42:35] We last year we went into the year with an inflated inflated sense of

[00:42:41] Um

[00:42:42] What was coming right like we thought we were gonna be better than we were

[00:42:44] We thought the season was gonna go better than it did right and this year you and I talked about it a number of times before this

[00:42:51] We intentionally tried

[00:42:53] To not do that

[00:42:55] We intentionally yeah, like we intentionally tried to

[00:42:59] Keep expectations in check to a certain extent, you know

[00:43:04] Towards the end of it after the buff the buffalo game. I think we probably let that run a little bit wild

[00:43:09] Um, but we tried very hard to keep our our expectations in check

[00:43:13] And we we expected that hey, it's gonna be a tough game going into the saints first time head coach first game of the season

[00:43:20] Like we anticipated today was gonna be rough and somehow

[00:43:24] It was so much worse and it's the exact same feeling of hope to like what the was that

[00:43:32] right, um that we had last year

[00:43:36] and

[00:43:38] situation circumstances are slightly different but

[00:43:42] It it feels so similar and that's what like as I was watching it

[00:43:46] It just it just felt so similar and when he threw when Bryce threw, you know

[00:43:51] A couple of those where he was leaning off his back foot or he was jumping and he was doing those type of things

[00:43:57] It was like man, you worked on this all off season. What the hell man?

[00:44:01] All off season

[00:44:03] It's like you had one job and he did not understand the assignment like

[00:44:07] just

[00:44:08] Ah, so it's so it's so frustrating. It's so frustrating like his I wrote that down too like

[00:44:15] I don't know if you had this thought but like

[00:44:18] His footworked his footwork didn't look as good as it did it all throughout camp all throughout the off season

[00:44:25] All throughout camp even in the very brief time that we saw him in the preseason game

[00:44:30] We were everybody was commenting saying oh his footwork looks improved. He's got a strong

[00:44:36] He's got like a more stable base. He looks like he's ready to throw

[00:44:40] It looked like he regressed

[00:44:43] Today, it looked like he he looked like he did last year at times today

[00:44:48] and

[00:44:49] um

[00:44:50] What is it? Yeah, I'll throw another I'll throw calyx up here one more time. By the way, he said we did pronounce his name correctly

[00:44:58] So that's great. I feel good about that. Um, and he just said I get he showed flashes last year

[00:45:03] But I can find a few flashes in rosin's rookie here

[00:45:06] Oh man, please no

[00:45:07] I would be more willing to give a pass if you didn't struggle with the basics. Um, yeah, I agree

[00:45:12] And then he said I respect both of your opinions and he was at the Texans game as well

[00:45:17] um

[00:45:19] So hang on i'm gonna come to that one in a second

[00:45:22] Yeah, so it just

[00:45:24] I don't know he did it did seem like he struggled with some of the basics today

[00:45:28] Yeah, like where were all of the by the way

[00:45:33] Where were all of the easy?

[00:45:35] completions today

[00:45:37] like

[00:45:38] This offense is supposed to be first of all

[00:45:42] It's supposed to be built off of the run and like we've talked about

[00:45:46] They get the saints got up on us extremely quickly and dave canalis obviously had to

[00:45:52] abandon the run

[00:45:54] but like

[00:45:56] Even with that said

[00:45:58] Where were all of the easy completions to like diana johnson?

[00:46:02] And adam the diana johnson is supposed to be

[00:46:05] Our guy that gets open

[00:46:07] Quickly and easily

[00:46:09] And how many catches did he have today?

[00:46:12] two

[00:46:13] Two catches for 19 yards

[00:46:16] two catches

[00:46:18] For 19

[00:46:19] I know because I have him on my fantasy team

[00:46:23] Because I thought it was gonna go better than it did today

[00:46:27] So i'm gonna throw this up

[00:46:29] I mean, I don't know if you guys can see this let me see if I can zoom in a little bit

[00:46:38] so

[00:46:39] I mean

[00:46:41] Deontay Johnson

[00:46:43] The guy that's supposed to be

[00:46:46] You know brice's go-to guy

[00:46:50] I get that the saint maybe the saints were doing things

[00:46:54] Chuck uh

[00:46:55] chuck in the

[00:46:57] Chuck in the chat. It's it wasn't because he wasn't open right

[00:47:02] Like I feel like he was probably open and brice just didn't see him

[00:47:07] Or didn't throw it to him

[00:47:09] Like because there's no there's no way come on now. There's no way

[00:47:14] That Deontay Johnson

[00:47:17] Wasn't open enough to catch more than two passes

[00:47:21] In this game

[00:47:22] Yeah, especially since that's his whole thing is right open except like you know yards of separation. That's literally like

[00:47:29] He's top top of the NFL and um

[00:47:33] Yeah, so

[00:47:34] Yeah, I mean it was

[00:47:36] again

[00:47:38] Bryce just wasn't on this game. We know he's better than that. He knows he's better than that

[00:47:42] The team knows he's better than that. He just wasn't on his game

[00:47:45] It happened at a really really really inopportune time

[00:47:49] Yeah, it happened where the stakes were quite high

[00:47:53] um, not that we won but that we didn't get blown out and we and

[00:47:58] And unfortunately we're in this position now where we are gonna have to deal with that

[00:48:01] And he he now has a much steeper uphill battle

[00:48:07] Then he would have if we had just gone out there and lost by

[00:48:10] 10

[00:48:11] Right like if if if we had gone out there we had lost but we had played okay. There were some flashes of good stuff whatever

[00:48:18] Then we would have been okay. Um, and we would have continued to give him the time but like

[00:48:23] To play as bad as badly as he did today was was was tough. It was really tough

[00:48:28] It was I want to throw up a couple more comments here. First of all, just take a pause here

[00:48:34] 324 people watching

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[00:48:56] Qp88 once brice ran into his own lineman. I knew we were in trouble. Do you remember that play?

[00:49:01] Do you remember that when that happened? Yes. So yes because I had listed in my list of things

[00:49:08] We kept running into each other

[00:49:14] What the hell man, what is this? What is this like pop Warner like I'm hoping that some of that were like

[00:49:24] just like site adjustments that

[00:49:26] People kind of got confused because we're in a new offense

[00:49:29] but

[00:49:30] It really did look like a bad news bears type situation and it was it was rough

[00:49:37] Yeah, we we can't keep you know, and I'm just praying no butt fumble, right like let's

[00:49:44] Let's not have a jets butt fumble situation. It was almost that it was all I know

[00:49:49] That's what i'm saying. It was rough

[00:49:52] So anyway, yeah, I think

[00:49:54] I think here's where we are

[00:49:56] Bryce needs to play better. He knows he needs to play better

[00:49:59] He's physically capable of playing better if he does

[00:50:02] And did not get off to the really really bad start that he did today's game

[00:50:07] Probably would have gone a little bit differently

[00:50:09] But it just snowballed we got behind we tried to catch back up

[00:50:13] We tried to force things where they shouldn't have been

[00:50:15] Into you know and and we got caught got hand, you know got caught trying to trying to get too much too fast

[00:50:21] And we can't do that again. I have faith that the uh the players and the coaching staff

[00:50:29] Will learn from this again. I think I think some of that snowballing this comes

[00:50:35] Because of you know, canalis being new in the role and new as an offensive coordinator or calling the plays

[00:50:42] It's only a second you're doing that so

[00:50:46] I'm holding out, you know, I'm gonna wait to see what happens next week again. I think

[00:50:53] Bryce was you know just had some some really tough things go against him

[00:50:57] Um, we'll see we'll see what happens next week, but it was you know, it was a little disheartening on him

[00:51:03] He's gonna do his thing. We're gonna you know

[00:51:07] Let's move on to something else

[00:51:10] Say one less say one less thing on it and then let's move on to something else

[00:51:14] Tired of trashing the dude. He's either gonna play better. He's not

[00:51:18] Yeah, no, I get you a lot of comments. I was

[00:51:21] I was not anticipating having so many comments that I can't keep up with them

[00:51:26] um

[00:51:28] So i'm gonna try to read through some of these

[00:51:30] uh

[00:51:31] Jimmy Orban here

[00:51:34] Beyond Bryce. I was disappointed in the defense

[00:51:38] 110 the defense was

[00:51:41] We've we talked about it earlier, but like that was

[00:51:45] utrid

[00:51:46] pathetic

[00:51:48] We we

[00:51:50] I don't think we heard aside from the announcer

[00:51:53] Like we mentioned calling out the fact that that we hadn't heard derrick browner jadevian clowny's name

[00:51:58] I think that's the only time that I heard their name the entire game

[00:52:02] Was when he said hey, we haven't heard them their name called much

[00:52:06] um

[00:52:08] I just wanted that there was another comment here that I wanted to get to um

[00:52:13] Here it is

[00:52:16] And after this we'll move on from the Bryce topic because we've like you said, I mean

[00:52:22] I don't want to trash. I don't want to like trash the guy

[00:52:25] Listen, I'm you know, you know, you know, I am one of the biggest Bryce supporters

[00:52:31] Apologists

[00:52:33] I

[00:52:35] Wanted to draft him

[00:52:36] I wanted to draft brice young. I was happy when we did I think he got the raw end. I think he got a

[00:52:43] Lumped into a horrible situation last year, but now it's put up or shut up time

[00:52:48] Yep, and and he's got and he's he's got to show something and today was not a good start

[00:52:54] So I want to get to this comment here from john horton. What's up john

[00:52:59] So obviously Dalton isn't the future

[00:53:02] Is it better to allow Dalton to play and let brice watch for the rest of the year and we get what type of draft pick we get

[00:53:09] Dalton is at least

[00:53:11] At least is a gamer

[00:53:14] yeah

[00:53:15] Three thoughts. I'll be we I don't think we can do that. I think we have so much invested in brice that we have to

[00:53:21] We have to ensure that we give brice the opportunity to play better

[00:53:26] Or we give him the opportunity to play so poorly that we get the first pick again

[00:53:30] And we can have our first we can have our pick if who's there bingo

[00:53:33] it's it's it like

[00:53:35] He needs to play the rest of the year

[00:53:38] And if good things happen then good things are happening

[00:53:41] And if bad things happen then good things will happen in the draft

[00:53:46] That's the only way that I can look at it. Yeah

[00:53:50] Yeah, I mean

[00:53:52] I

[00:53:54] Think if you if if this if you would have asked this question last year

[00:53:59] Then yeah, I think you could have made a strong argument that

[00:54:03] behind that offensive line last year and with those receivers and with that horrible of a situation

[00:54:11] There i've seen a lot of people say we should have just started Andy Dalton last year

[00:54:15] And I don't totally disagree with that at this point

[00:54:19] In hindsight at the time I didn't agree with it at the time. I was like no we need to play brice

[00:54:24] but now in hindsight i'm like

[00:54:27] That actually kind of makes sense look at look at jordan love

[00:54:30] Which by the way his injury

[00:54:33] What is he out six weeks something like that? I think they hope they said they hope four to six weeks

[00:54:38] Yes, that's that sucks, but jordan love how many years did he sit how many years did he sit behind nir and rogers three four

[00:54:45] Yeah, seasons three or something like that. Yeah, so I mean there and there's other examples of it too

[00:54:51] um, but no this year

[00:54:53] This year. I think it's pointless to play Dalton because honestly

[00:54:58] um

[00:54:59] Like you said if brice is as bad as some people think he is

[00:55:05] Andy Dalton would probably win us more games. Yeah, that's the that's the problem

[00:55:11] Right. He's not the long-term solution and then he screws us from getting the long-term solution like that's the problem

[00:55:18] Yeah, and it's like I don't I don't want to lose. I don't want to lose. I want to win. I want to win games

[00:55:25] But at the same time

[00:55:27] You invested the number one overall pick in brice young you traded away dj morry you traded away

[00:55:32] You know the the picks

[00:55:35] This is only his second year. He's one game into his second year

[00:55:38] You have to play this season out

[00:55:41] And like you said we've we've surrounded him with better talent

[00:55:45] We've surrounded him with better talent

[00:55:48] He's it's put up or shut up time and guess what if he doesn't put up

[00:55:53] Then he's not going to be the quarterback anymore and uh, that's just

[00:55:59] That's just what it is. But yeah, I don't I don't want to see andy dalton out there right now personally

[00:56:03] I uh, I appreciated this comment quite funny just

[00:56:07] On top of the rb put the uh put brice on top of the rb shoulders and just let him go

[00:56:12] But hey, y'all tell us y'all tell us in the chat if you agree like tell us uh, tell us whether you think that uh

[00:56:17] That you know we should play dalton or we should uh stick with brice

[00:56:22] Okay, that's a that is an epic comment. I

[00:56:27] um

[00:56:28] I want to throw this up as well. Uh

[00:56:31] See three anthony

[00:56:34] I'm sorry ben we interact on twitter sometimes and I was a brice guy as well

[00:56:37] But I just don't see it at this point, but

[00:56:40] At the same time drafting another quarterback isn't going to solve all of our issues

[00:56:45] Yeah, that's true. Um, what's up anthony? Thank you for your

[00:56:48] comment there. Um

[00:56:51] Can I say one thing before we move on to the defense backwards hat

[00:56:55] Backwards hat. Yeah

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[00:57:48] Well, I think we can move on from the price young topic now. So

[00:57:54] Anything else about

[00:57:57] The game before we

[00:57:58] You know, I want to talk about just briefly at least briefly talk about the chargers game, but like yeah

[00:58:04] Anything else stand out to you today? I think I was relatively happy with the wide receivers

[00:58:09] Um, I was relatively happy with when they were given the opportunity to catch the ball

[00:58:14] We we had some good catches. Um, I'm mainly comparing that to what we in what we saw last year

[00:58:20] Although at towards the beginning of the game we saw a

[00:58:23] You know, I don't know seven yard uh slant into

[00:58:27] um, Thielen and it gave me flashbacks to last year of

[00:58:32] Going during, you know short passes that Thielen is the only person that could catch the ball

[00:58:36] But I was I was happy with

[00:58:39] The wide receivers when they were given the opportunity

[00:58:41] Um to perform we saw some good catches. I thought and uh, I thought the old line was pretty good

[00:58:47] I thought protection on Bryce was better. You know, I

[00:58:50] This might be a bit of a microcosm of forsaking our defense to um, you know

[00:58:56] bolster our our offense and our offensive line and give

[00:58:59] Get the offense more to more to work with but I thought that Bryce had more

[00:59:04] More time certainly that he did last year and uh,

[00:59:07] Quite a bit more protection. So those you know, 100 plus a million dollars that we're spending on the offensive line

[00:59:14] May may not have been a bad idea

[00:59:18] Yeah, um

[00:59:19] I agree with the offensive line part. I think uh

[00:59:24] The the announcers called it out. There were several times that um

[00:59:29] You know, Bryce had protection and just wasn't able to find any open any open receivers or

[00:59:34] You know didn't throw an accurate ball to the guy he was trying to hit. Um, so that

[00:59:39] I guess that was a little

[00:59:41] Little encouraging to see that you know, it was it didn't look so so atrocious from an offensive line from protection

[00:59:48] perspective

[00:59:49] I think what what jimmy says here is right. Hey, you know

[00:59:53] Play three miscommunication with the db's horn expecting help help over the top

[00:59:56] You know results in a touchdown

[00:59:58] Maybe more preseason snaps would help right both both sides of the ball

[01:00:02] I think that there's a lot to be said for that. There's always a monday morning quarterback

[01:00:06] Or as it is this evening a sunday evening quarterback

[01:00:09] Um, you know could have what I should have but that it's it's a fair point and it's it's fair to at least throw out there

[01:00:16] Yeah, no, that's a good that's a good point. That's actually something that I wanted to just

[01:00:22] You know ask your opinion on and it sounds like you agree that

[01:00:27] in hindsight, um

[01:00:30] This team needed this this these starters needed more time

[01:00:34] They needed more reps. Yeah in the preseason. Um,

[01:00:39] yeah

[01:00:40] um, you know, I guess

[01:00:42] Keep pounding donna. Thanks so much for that

[01:00:46] Yes, let's throw it up. Let's throw up the

[01:00:49] Keep pounding. Thank you donna. We appreciate you

[01:00:52] Appreciate you very much 358 people watching right now. Um, that's awesome

[01:00:58] This is our second live stream

[01:01:01] Ever so y'all are awesome. Y'all are great. This is fantastic

[01:01:06] 353. Whoa, it just jumped up by like 10

[01:01:08] um

[01:01:10] This is great, but I guess the last

[01:01:13] parting thoughts about the saints

[01:01:15] um

[01:01:16] I mean

[01:01:18] Dave can Alice said after the game that you know

[01:01:22] It's a long journey. What has he said all off season?

[01:01:26] He said that uh

[01:01:28] We're on a journey to become us, you know and he said uh

[01:01:34] You know, it's a long journey to get there

[01:01:37] And the thing is

[01:01:39] Is

[01:01:40] He's not wrong

[01:01:43] I just I feel kind of bad

[01:01:46] For the situation that he's in

[01:01:49] because

[01:01:50] This is not the fan base

[01:01:53] This is not the fan base that's going to accept

[01:01:58] You know

[01:01:59] The being told that we need to be patient

[01:02:01] Yeah, and being told that the journey is going to take a while

[01:02:06] um, those those things may all be true

[01:02:09] But we've been through

[01:02:12] hell

[01:02:13] You know in in football fan

[01:02:16] terms

[01:02:17] The last few years and so

[01:02:20] We're just not

[01:02:22] We're not

[01:02:24] We don't have patients anymore

[01:02:26] No, the patients has run thin

[01:02:29] Yeah, um, but the fact of the matter is like

[01:02:33] It's probably gonna be a little rough now. I will say

[01:02:35] I mean we just did on our last episode. We just did

[01:02:39] our schedule predictions and uh

[01:02:42] We don't even talk about that again doing slash. We're already 0-1 buddy because we both picked the panthers to beat the saints

[01:02:49] Yeah

[01:02:50] Now this is why this is why I don't bet. This is why I I'm not a betting man

[01:02:56] Hey, Mike Hollinger here. Hope I pronounced that right in the chat

[01:03:01] Remember it took jz seven years

[01:03:04] guys guys and gals

[01:03:06] The great matt rule

[01:03:08] Said that himself like I mean

[01:03:10] Took jz seven years guys so

[01:03:14] 2000 what do you think about the uh, what do you think about the chargers game in?

[01:03:19] Okay. Yeah, let's I guess move to the chargers game

[01:03:23] Actually, yeah, I'm glad I'm glad we don't have to talk about the saints anymore because that was awful. Um,

[01:03:28] Put it behind us

[01:03:29] Put it behind us moving on didn't happen chargers

[01:03:33] so today

[01:03:35] the chargers

[01:03:37] played the raiders

[01:03:39] Let's share my screen. I just want to throw up their uh

[01:03:44] Throw up their stats here

[01:03:46] um 22 to 10

[01:03:48] victory for the chargers

[01:03:52] um

[01:03:52] Justin Herbert

[01:03:54] Through for 144 yards and a touchdown. He was sacked once look at jk dobbins

[01:04:01] Do we see it? Can you see that?

[01:04:05] Okay, is that large enough for you to see cool? Yeah, you're good. All right. Yeah jk dobbins kind of went off today

[01:04:13] That's great for them

[01:04:14] We're gonna have to stop the run

[01:04:17] Next week didn't do that today

[01:04:19] No like at all

[01:04:22] Isn't that what we were supposed to be good at our defense? I mean, where was that?

[01:04:25] Yeah, no, um broad

[01:04:27] It's behind us. We've put it. We put it behind us. We put it behind us

[01:04:30] I know we put it behind us, but listen

[01:04:33] Tie it to a balloon and let it go

[01:04:36] The game's over. You just got it. You just got to let it go man. It's still fresh

[01:04:41] Exactly night you have tonight to feel sorry for it and then tomorrow's when you start to change

[01:04:46] Right. So tonight you can you can

[01:04:49] Sit there and have uh, have a bourbon, you know shout out to

[01:04:53] To southern star uh southern jerry

[01:04:55] Yeah, yeah

[01:04:58] But yeah, I mean, you know listen tonight and you you feel crappy and

[01:05:02] What was me and we're gonna lose every game the season and then tomorrow's a new day. You gotta put it behind you

[01:05:10] Okay, are you motivated yet? Not at all

[01:05:16] Panther dog words of wisdom

[01:05:19] Yeah, well hey tie a drill balloon let it go sage advice

[01:05:23] Eric you're so wise. You know, hey, we got dad jokes and dad advice here. We sure do

[01:05:28] Um, um

[01:05:30] Can I point some out for the chargers? I'm a george. I'm a george fan. Good to see lad mcconkey

[01:05:35] Uh five receptions 39 yards touchdown

[01:05:38] um

[01:05:39] He uh, I watched uh watched him play quite a bit. He was one of the um

[01:05:43] One of the rookies I was looking forward to watching so I was glad to see uh him do do well just on kind of a

[01:05:49] A bulldog side of things. I hope that we're able to uh contain him though

[01:05:55] Yeah, actually, uh, I tried to draft him in both of my fantasy drafts

[01:05:59] In one of the later rounds because you know, he wasn't like a fifth or sixth round pick

[01:06:04] I think he went a little later than that but

[01:06:06] Unsuccessful because I feel like he's gonna be there. They're wide receiver one. He's their dude. Yeah

[01:06:11] He's he's gonna be there dude, I think. Yeah, I mean five catches 39 yards. I hope he does absolutely nothing

[01:06:17] Hayden Hearst got a Hayden Hearst sighting two receptions for 33 yards for them. So

[01:06:23] He will be squaring up against us net come next week. Uh, that'll be interesting

[01:06:29] but um

[01:06:30] No, I think the chargers

[01:06:33] They're gonna be tough. I mean there. It's a gym hardball

[01:06:36] Coach team a lot of panthers fans obviously

[01:06:40] um

[01:06:41] Wanted us to take a shot at getting

[01:06:45] Getting gym hardball in here. Um in off season

[01:06:49] Didn't happen, but khaki himself

[01:06:52] Mr. Khaki. Yep. Mr. Pleaded khaki. Yeah

[01:06:57] Kicking an age style

[01:06:59] Right

[01:07:00] It'll come back. I mean bell bottom jeans like Justin Herbert. We know he's a really good quarterback

[01:07:06] It's not like he lit the world on fire today. He had 144

[01:07:11] Passing yards. I think it looks it sounds like they they ran the ball a lot. They they ran the ball what?

[01:07:18] 26 27 times

[01:07:20] Today against the Raiders. Um, and he threw it Justin Herbert threw it 26 times

[01:07:25] So I think we're gonna see a balance of run and pass next week against the panthers

[01:07:31] um

[01:07:32] You have to remember they traded they they uh, keenon allen's gone keenon allen is gone

[01:07:37] Mike williams is gone

[01:07:39] So they don't have as threatening of a wide receiver group as they used to

[01:07:44] lad mcconkies really probably gonna get the most targets

[01:07:48] Next week against us. Um, you have to

[01:07:51] You know watch out for quintin johnson. Uh, johnston. He's

[01:07:55] You know say what you will about in his rookie last year

[01:07:59] Um, but he can go up and get the ball

[01:08:01] Um, he had three catches for 38 yards this week. So it's not like he did anything so spectacular, but

[01:08:08] Um, I think it's gonna be a tough game, but hey, it's a home game

[01:08:12] I mean we can't I know one thing

[01:08:15] We cannot

[01:08:16] Come out and have another performance

[01:08:20] Like we did today

[01:08:22] At at home

[01:08:24] That's going to be even more disastrous

[01:08:26] If we come out we gotta protect the bank

[01:08:29] We gotta we gotta protect the bank

[01:08:31] Can't come out

[01:08:33] But it's I think it's gonna be a harder game than we anticipated it being based off of what we saw today

[01:08:38] So, you know, we were we were looking at it like hey, yeah chargers

[01:08:43] All right, you know, that's it didn't seem like uh much of an uphill battle

[01:08:47] Uh when last week when we were doing our episode, uh, you know looking forward but um

[01:08:52] You know, I think it's going to be a tougher game than we anticipated

[01:08:57] initially and

[01:09:00] We we we got a rise to the occasion. We got a rise to the occasion

[01:09:05] So, uh, but you know, hey

[01:09:08] Might as well we got to go out there and win every day

[01:09:10] That's one of the things that canales talks about you win every day

[01:09:13] Uh, we got we got we got some practices between now and then and you know, we just ended up losing today

[01:09:19] Uh tomorrow's another day that we can win though. So

[01:09:23] That's how we have to look at it

[01:09:25] Now you would you would sort of uh poked fun at me

[01:09:29] last week

[01:09:31] Saying that when I when I reminded you that hey, I'm going to the chargers game

[01:09:36] You kind of said I'm a I'm a uh

[01:09:39] Bad luck

[01:09:41] Farm I believe something along those lines

[01:09:44] sounds like something

[01:09:46] It does

[01:09:47] I'm

[01:09:49] I have tickets

[01:09:50] I'm supposed to be going I jokingly tweeted earlier this evening

[01:09:55] I have tickets to the chargers game

[01:09:58] I'm not sure if I want to go to the chargers game

[01:10:01] You want to go

[01:10:03] I'm gonna go obviously you're gonna go. I'm gonna go

[01:10:06] I'm gonna I'm gonna get

[01:10:08] Drunk and get tipsy at the very least

[01:10:11] I'm gonna enjoy myself and have a great time and cheer my ass off

[01:10:16] but

[01:10:17] I

[01:10:18] I'm not gonna lie again

[01:10:21] Bryce young

[01:10:23] I need to see something

[01:10:24] Yep, I need to see something different than we saw this week

[01:10:28] And that's coming from a guy who is like one of the biggest Bryce young

[01:10:32] Apologists slash supporters

[01:10:35] on

[01:10:36] The twitter panthers twitter sphere

[01:10:40] um

[01:10:41] I just the onus is on Bryce the onus is on him moving forward

[01:10:46] It's it's his responsibility

[01:10:48] um, he knows that and

[01:10:51] If he's able to I trust that that

[01:10:54] He'll start turning this thing around at least play uh played better and get those around him to play better

[01:10:59] That's what great players do great leaders in great quarterbacks. They make everybody else around them better

[01:11:04] This is his opportunity to prove that

[01:11:06] Failed all flat today. It was deflating for the fan base. I'm sure

[01:11:11] It probably was for the players as well. This is not how they saw the start of the 2024 season as well

[01:11:17] so, um, you know, hey

[01:11:20] Again tomorrow's a new day

[01:11:22] We got to go out there and win tomorrow. We got to play our best. We got to get 1% better

[01:11:26] We have to do that every single day and if we do

[01:11:30] Then we're going to be saying, you know towards the middle of the season and towards the end of the season

[01:11:34] Things are looking up things are going going in the right direction

[01:11:38] We knew it wasn't going to be a short term solution. We knew that

[01:11:42] We didn't know it was going to be

[01:11:44] This rough of a start, but we knew it wasn't going to be an easy transition

[01:11:48] Right have to remind ourselves that those were our original expectations

[01:11:51] We got a little bit of false fall

[01:11:53] You know with the uh with the buffalo bill's drive, uh that looked so good

[01:11:58] It's kind of like you wake up, you know at the end of august

[01:12:01] It's like 74 degrees feel a little crisp as the high and then two days later. It's 96 again

[01:12:07] Like that's literally what that's what just happened to us

[01:12:10] So we just have to recognize it tomorrow's a new day

[01:12:13] The owners is on the players they get paid millions of dollars to go out there and get better

[01:12:17] And we we trust that they had that they're going to do that

[01:12:20] We're going to continue to um, you know cheer them on some of us from the couch some of us from the stands

[01:12:25] um, but you know

[01:12:27] I would just ask people not to give up after one week

[01:12:31] We knew it was going to be rough

[01:12:33] It's rougher than we thought

[01:12:35] But our expectations in terms of how today and how

[01:12:38] You know the first couple of games could have ended. Yeah at the end of the day

[01:12:43] It doesn't matter if you lose by three points. It doesn't matter if you lose by 37 points

[01:12:46] It's still a loss. We had we we have to win tomorrow. That's it. Yep. Well said

[01:12:52] um

[01:12:54] I'm not going to say another word about the Chargers or the Panthers because I think you ended it well

[01:12:58] But I do just want to take a second

[01:13:01] I think we should shout out our our experience that we had

[01:13:05] um yesterday

[01:13:07] Because that was awesome. Yeah for sure. I'll have a whole thing. Yeah, let me let me you grab that I'm gonna

[01:13:13] Oh, yeah my screen

[01:13:15] Yeah, southern star had us out. They'd had a really cool thing. I had um, southern

[01:13:21] And wissley wall distilling I apologize, but it's uh, it's the southern star is like their you know thing

[01:13:26] I'll be getting signatures on the bottles and stuff. It was very cool. Yeah, so let's show the people

[01:13:32] um southern star paragon cognac finish bourbon whiskey

[01:13:36] um southern distilling company out in statesville north carolina

[01:13:42] um

[01:13:43] Highly highly recommend if anybody listening

[01:13:47] Lives close enough to be able to make their way out to statesville north carolina

[01:13:51] Go visit the southern distilling company distillery. Take a tour

[01:13:55] Take a tour if you can because it was fascinating. It really was I'm nerdy. I got into it. It was super cool

[01:14:01] They did a really good job

[01:14:03] Um, you know bourbon was really good too. These are I think there's like 3 000 bottles of these or something

[01:14:07] That's all that they made. It's a really um

[01:14:09] It was like hand picked by the owner. So it's pretty neat. Uh, and that that that helmet right there was fire

[01:14:15] Yeah, I'm gonna show a couple pictures here. They so essentially um, and I I posted all over twitter about this

[01:14:22] So if you follow me on twitter, you probably saw me

[01:14:25] um

[01:14:25] Posting on posting about this but basically

[01:14:29] Southern distilling company is the official southern star their bourbon is the official

[01:14:35] craft bourbon of the carolina panthers

[01:14:37] They reached out to us

[01:14:39] um

[01:14:41] About a week ago or so and asked if we would partner with them and come out for the launch of their southern star

[01:14:50] Paragon cognac finish bourbon whiskey special edition like eric you were saying there how many how many did they did they make?

[01:14:57] I said 3 000. I think it was 3 000 something like that

[01:15:00] um

[01:15:01] So they just asked us to come out along with a couple other podcasters

[01:15:05] There were some other like influencers or social media people, you know

[01:15:09] Um, we met the the north carolina tripping

[01:15:14] Instagram person, you know, she was

[01:15:16] Also

[01:15:17] Yeah, she was cool to meet her

[01:15:19] um

[01:15:20] and it was honestly just like a

[01:15:23] world-class

[01:15:24] Event like we kind of were looking at each other the whole time like why are we here?

[01:15:30] Yeah, it's pretty cool. I hope some of the people that are in the chat were able to go there

[01:15:33] Or you know fans were invited as well. Uh, it wasn't it wasn't just us. It was pretty cool

[01:15:37] Um, but yeah, they shout out to them. Thanks so much for having us over

[01:15:40] You know having us out and uh, been has all these pictures on his uh on his twitter and stuff too

[01:15:47] Yep, yep

[01:15:48] Great experience. We got to meet a couple players a couple former panthers legends

[01:15:54] Here's us with uh

[01:15:56] Kurt Coleman cool guy, right? Um, he he just came right over and started chatting it up with us and

[01:16:03] like

[01:16:04] I felt like it was a very organic

[01:16:07] Conversations that we had like we had chat with him like it didn't start out with like

[01:16:12] Hey, mr. Coleman, uh very much appreciate you playing for the panthers and and i'm a big fan

[01:16:18] It wasn't like that it was like we just started talking about like

[01:16:21] The bourbon and the tour and the distillery and then he got to talking about how he's been to a couple wineries and then

[01:16:28] You got to talking about um like what's it like being a panthers legend and all that stuff and we talked to him for like

[01:16:35] 10 minutes or so just like a very natural conversation very cool guy very down to earth

[01:16:41] Um, also got a chance to meet

[01:16:44] this gentleman

[01:16:46] This guy here, um

[01:16:49] Mr. Wesley walls god I look short holy shit

[01:16:55] You didn't notice it until right now. Oh my god. Well, I mean to be fair

[01:17:01] I'm like standing in front

[01:17:04] Of him so like I look

[01:17:07] taller than I probably

[01:17:10] That's funny. You do look short, but I love you're really short. We are who we are. It's fine like that was amazing

[01:17:17] That was fine, but like he was a super nice guy

[01:17:21] Very down to earth as well

[01:17:23] very sociable

[01:17:25] He kind of talked about how the guy didn't even play

[01:17:29] Tied end until he had played one game at tied end in high school

[01:17:33] And he had like seven catches for like

[01:17:36] 89 yards in a touchdown in like a high school all-star game

[01:17:40] But he played defensive end in college for the most part and he didn't play tied end until I think it was his senior

[01:17:48] He's had a senior year. He played he played one year of tied end in college

[01:17:52] Exactly in the one year that he played he was first team ap all-american at tied end

[01:17:58] And then of course he goes on to just

[01:18:00] Legendary career with the Panthers. I remember watching him when I was younger

[01:18:05] um, but no honestly

[01:18:07] the only the last thing I'll say, um

[01:18:08] just about that that whole experience with um

[01:18:12] southern distilling

[01:18:14] on saturday

[01:18:16] like

[01:18:16] That was just one of those kind of like

[01:18:19] pinch me moments

[01:18:21] You know since since we started doing the podcast because

[01:18:25] We started this thing with zero expectations

[01:18:28] Like we've been doing it for about a year and a half now

[01:18:31] You know, we we knew that there were other panthers podcasts out there other content creators and we had been sort of

[01:18:39] Talking about doing something for a little bit, but we just never

[01:18:42] move forward with it and

[01:18:44] We got the number one pick drafted, you know drafted brice and and we started the podcast right around

[01:18:51] That time but no expectations

[01:18:53] and

[01:18:54] The fact that

[01:18:56] We have people that are that actually

[01:18:59] Choose to spend time their personal valuable personal

[01:19:04] time

[01:19:05] listening to the podcast and and watching the podcast

[01:19:10] I can't even put into words like how

[01:19:13] Grateful I am for that and how appreciative I am

[01:19:16] Of that and really just how weird it is

[01:19:20] You know what I mean like how kind of mind blowing it is that that's even a thing and so to to

[01:19:26] For for a place of business, you know, like southern distilling to even like

[01:19:31] Reach out to us and think of us to do something like that. It was just kind of one of those moments where I was just like

[01:19:36] This is weird

[01:19:38] Yeah, this is weird, but this is awesome. You know, so grateful for that

[01:19:43] For for sure for sure

[01:19:45] Um, well the only other thing I wanted to say is hey again. Thanks for everybody

[01:19:50] Yes, hey ben. Can you uh, because I can't post into uh x because I think it's on your account

[01:19:56] Can you uh, put the the actual youtube channel in the chat so people can jump over there and give us a

[01:20:02] Give us a subscribe. Yes. I can I'm gonna do that

[01:20:07] Uh, but yeah, thanks so much for all of you guys hope that uh, hope that we uh, we earned your subscription

[01:20:12] you know as we were as we were chatting here and um

[01:20:16] if you could uh, if you could go give us a like and a

[01:20:20] Subscribe on youtube, we would greatly appreciate it. We try not to pander too terribly much

[01:20:25] But but it is helpful

[01:20:27] No, yeah, that's um, yeah very much appreciated everybody

[01:20:33] 386 people

[01:20:34] We're ending we're ending the show with with close to 400 people

[01:20:39] Amazing. Um, totally unexpected but appreciate every single one of you

[01:20:43] for listening to us watching us

[01:20:46] commiserating with us after a

[01:20:50] horrible horrible day. Um, but hey

[01:20:55] Only up

[01:20:56] From here right? Yep has to be

[01:20:59] Can't hit it accountability only up from here every player needs to be accountable every coach needs to be accountable

[01:21:05] And uh, I have no doubt that that dan morgan is gonna is gonna hold everybody to that uh, including himself

[01:21:10] Um, so yeah like that can accountability 100 percent. Yeah

[01:21:15] All righty. Well, thanks everybody again for listening for watching

[01:21:18] We appreciate it like eric said if you wouldn't mind if you don't already

[01:21:22] Please hop over to youtube give us a uh subscribe like the stream all that stuff

[01:21:28] It really helps us out. We're trying to get to

[01:21:29] It's currently trying to get to 700 subscribers and anybody listening on spotify or apple. Thank you so much

[01:21:35] We appreciate you as well

[01:21:37] And uh, yeah, we will be back um next sunday night same time 9 15

[01:21:44] Hopefully to talk about a better performance from the panthers from brice young

[01:21:50] All that stuff

[01:21:52] But uh, yeah until then everybody have a fantastic week and uh, keep pounding

[01:21:58] Talk to you later. Bye guys