41: Bears Pulverize Panthers / Should Bryce Young Start? / Diontae Johnson Trade Rumors / Falcons Preview

[00:00:25] What is going on, everybody? Welcome in. Welcome in to Keep Purring, the Carolina Panthers Podcast. I believe this is episode 41. We are here tonight to talk about what we just witnessed with the Bears and the Panthers. Certainly not a result that I was necessarily anticipating. I'm sure, Eric, you probably feel the same in some sense.

[00:00:52] But we're going to get into doing a little deep dive, just talking about reacting to the Bears-Panthers game. We're going to talk about some injuries. Man, a lot of injuries are piling up for this team right now. We're going to dig into a couple of other topics tonight, one of which is the question that's kind of being thrown around amongst Panthers fans right now of,

[00:01:19] Should Bryce Young be inserted back into the starting lineup sooner rather than later? We're going to talk about Deontay Johnson. There's some kind of trade rumors swirling around right now with him. So we're going to kind of, you know, give our thoughts on that. And then we're going to preview the Falcons game. But before we do all that fun stuff, Eric, what's up, man? How you doing?

[00:01:44] I'm great, man. How about yourself? How was your weekend?

[00:01:47] It's been good. It's been good. Yeah, I got a lot done. We spent, my wife and daughter and I spent some time today prepping food for the week.

[00:02:00] Okay.

[00:02:01] Which is, you know, not my favorite thing in the world to do, but, you know, I was glad to help.

[00:02:08] It's important to get the kids involved like early on. You know, it's important to get the kids familiar with making foods and preparing them and all that. That's great.

[00:02:16] Yeah, it was good. It was fun.

[00:02:18] Hey, man.

[00:02:19] Yeah, it was a good weekend. Was yours good?

[00:02:21] Yeah, relatively uneventful, except for a Costco trip, which, you know, on a Saturday, a Costco trip is eventful just by nature.

[00:02:30] And I decided, I hadn't even told you this, I'm going to take a, like a tour of like southeastern North Carolina, like food places.

[00:02:39] What?

[00:02:40] So I'm, yeah, I'm leaving in the morning and I'll be back, back to Greensboro on Wednesday night, but I'm heading to heading out east.

[00:02:46] I'm going to go to, to New Bern and Wilson and some other places out in that way.

[00:02:52] So if anybody, anybody listening has any, like must, I have to go to some places.

[00:02:59] Let me know. I'm going to, I'm, I have a tentative schedule, but maybe able to fit some places in if anybody has anything.

[00:03:06] That's really cool, man. That sounds really fun.

[00:03:08] Like I'm super, it's me so much barbecue, so much barbecue.

[00:03:11] I, I, I'm, I'm going to be, I'm going to be done with barbecue for a while, but I'm looking forward to, to, to, you know, trying some of the best we've got around for sure.

[00:03:20] Yeah, that's awesome.

[00:03:22] Well, we got, uh, what's, it looks like 24 people so far tuned in.

[00:03:26] What's up everybody?

[00:03:27] Um, Hey, throw a, throw a comment in the chat.

[00:03:29] We want to, we want to hear from you guys, you know, say what's up.

[00:03:32] We want to hear what your thoughts are on this game today.

[00:03:35] Um, cause there's a ton to talk about.

[00:03:37] So speaking of let's get into it.

[00:03:41] Um, you know, we can kind of do this however you want.

[00:03:45] We can kind of go through, I've gotten notes from all throughout the game, but overarching themes that you came away with after watching that, um, performance today from our beloved Panthers.

[00:03:59] Um, for, for some reason we still can't tackle.

[00:04:02] I, I, I, I do not understand this.

[00:04:06] I don't think that by the time you are in the, uh, in the NFL and you have an active roster spot that somebody should teach you have to, uh, you know, you shouldn't have to be taught how to tackle.

[00:04:17] Um, and that was rough to watch.

[00:04:20] Very, very frustrating.

[00:04:21] I could do no better.

[00:04:22] Let me be very clear, but I also am getting paid a far fewer zeros on my paycheck than they are.

[00:04:28] Um, so, you know, for me, got to tackle better when you have, when you have a quarterback, you know, uh, stuck in the backfield and we gotta be able to bring them down.

[00:04:40] And it's been a theme this year that we haven't been able to do that.

[00:04:43] Uh, so that was the first thing that popped out of me.

[00:04:45] Uh, second thing, communication was absolutely terrible.

[00:04:47] Yeah.

[00:04:48] Uh, we were having stupid, stupid penalties, uh, too many men in the, in the, uh, the huddle, that kind of stuff.

[00:04:54] Multiple times.

[00:04:55] Yeah.

[00:04:56] Just for illegal substitution.

[00:04:58] Well, yeah, it was just bad.

[00:05:00] Um, and then, uh, consistently we are now having a clearer view of Canalis's offense.

[00:05:07] And it is increasingly clear that if you do not convert on third down, you do not move the ball.

[00:05:13] You're screwed.

[00:05:14] Uh, and there's just no, if fans are much about that, no other way around it.

[00:05:19] If you cannot convert on third down, then your offense is going nowhere.

[00:05:25] So those are my, my, kind of my, my big three takeaways.

[00:05:29] Yeah.

[00:05:30] Um, you know, the game started out, the game started out encouraging, you know, we, we got to stop on defense.

[00:05:38] On that first defensive possession.

[00:05:41] I think, I think the bears went three and out.

[00:05:43] Caleb Williams got sacked.

[00:05:46] And, uh, the next drive, which was the second drive for the Panthers.

[00:05:51] Um, we go right down the field and Chuba Hubbard runs in a what?

[00:05:55] 30 something yard touchdown.

[00:05:58] Yeah.

[00:05:58] And all of a sudden we're up seven and nothing.

[00:06:00] And it's, it's like, okay, we're up seven and nothing on the road here.

[00:06:04] Like this is actually feeling kind of encouraging.

[00:06:07] Yep.

[00:06:07] Um, and really from that point forward, it was an absolute train wreck.

[00:06:15] Yeah.

[00:06:15] Um, I mean, very few positives that you can point to and we'll get to some of them, but

[00:06:24] you know, uh, after that, I'm kind of looking through my notes here.

[00:06:29] You had the Chuba touchdown, which was, which was impressive.

[00:06:32] And, you know, we come down on the next, um, I think after that, the bears went down, scored

[00:06:39] a touchdown, you know, tied it up seven to seven.

[00:06:44] Um, and I don't know, it just, it just from that point forward, it really felt like we

[00:06:51] didn't have a chance.

[00:06:52] I mean, honestly, I mean, it felt like we'd seen that movie before, you know what I mean?

[00:06:57] Exactly.

[00:06:57] Yeah.

[00:06:58] It's like, you know, it wasn't, it wasn't something new.

[00:07:00] It was, it was, we we've, we've been encountering this.

[00:07:05] Um, and I, man, we've, we've, we've got to be able to move the, you know, move the ball

[00:07:13] on third down.

[00:07:15] Um, and, uh, you know, it, it, it was really funny because it was, that was the first thing

[00:07:19] that popped into my head when I was watching the game.

[00:07:21] Yeah.

[00:07:22] And I was like, man, it doesn't seem like we're doing very well.

[00:07:25] Uh, you know, with long sustained drives, I didn't have any like metrics or anything

[00:07:29] in front of me.

[00:07:30] Uh, and, uh, a few minutes after that, they popped up.

[00:07:32] It was like, we were Oh, and six in our first, uh, third down opportunities.

[00:07:36] I don't know how, how it kept going after that, but, um, you know, it's very clear that

[00:07:44] we have got to be able to sustain drives and, you know, it was like deja vu all over again,

[00:07:51] uh, from weeks one and two where we were, um, yeah, it was like deja vu all over again

[00:07:58] because we, we, we had seen the Bryce not being able to move the ball thing.

[00:08:05] Um, and we saw the Andy not being able to move the ball thing now.

[00:08:09] I still think that, you know, well, we'll, we'll touch on this later who should be starting,

[00:08:13] but, um, you know, it, it, it, and I do appreciate the fact that Canales said, Hey, maybe it's

[00:08:21] on me.

[00:08:21] I saw his press conference after the game.

[00:08:23] He said something about maybe it's on him and the play calling and some of those things,

[00:08:27] um, which I, I appreciated, but man, it's just frustrating sitting on the couch and not

[00:08:31] being able to, to like will them to, to move the ball any better than they were.

[00:08:36] I don't know.

[00:08:37] Yeah.

[00:08:38] This game felt a lot like, um, the first two games, it felt a lot like the saints and the

[00:08:44] chargers.

[00:08:45] And it's so, you know, I kind of, I got into a little back and forth conversation with someone

[00:08:51] on Twitter.

[00:08:53] Um, it was either during the game or right after today, just kind of, they were saying,

[00:08:59] you know, we should have all expected this.

[00:09:02] Like the bears, the bears were always going to kick our butts.

[00:09:05] You know, we should have expected the team to come out and look like this.

[00:09:09] The bears have a great defense.

[00:09:11] You know, our offense, um, is probably not going to play well against them, all stuff.

[00:09:16] And I was like, I pushed back a little and I was like, you know, I disagree because the

[00:09:24] bears, yes, they do have a really good defense, but they have a rookie quarterback who, by the

[00:09:30] way, up to this point in the season has not looked that great.

[00:09:34] I mean, he had a better week last, last week.

[00:09:37] I think, um, you got, this was his best game by far.

[00:09:44] Yeah.

[00:09:44] This was the best game by far, but like up to this point, he had a better week last week,

[00:09:49] but like you have a rookie quarterback, you do have a good defense, but the last two weeks

[00:09:53] from the Panthers, from our team, it was encouraging.

[00:09:57] Like we, we looked like a professional football team.

[00:10:00] The, the, we got the Andy Dalton bump and you know, we were looking, we were looking

[00:10:06] better.

[00:10:07] So I, I came into the bears game thinking that we would have a chance to potentially

[00:10:11] win the game.

[00:10:13] Yeah.

[00:10:13] You know, I, and I don't think that I was, and I'm not, I know I'm not alone in that.

[00:10:17] And I don't think that I was like crazy to think that we would have could have potentially

[00:10:21] had a chance to, to win the game, but we went up, I guess this is what it looks like right

[00:10:26] now with this team when we go up against an elite defense, because the bears do have an

[00:10:33] elite defense.

[00:10:34] There's no doubt about that.

[00:10:35] Yeah.

[00:10:35] I mean, we couldn't move the ball at all.

[00:10:38] To me, it was like, I don't know enough about the X's and O's to understand what could have

[00:10:44] changed, but it was very clear to me that like something changed, you know, after that

[00:10:50] first successful drive that we had, like it wasn't the prettiest drive in the world, but

[00:10:54] we were moving the ball.

[00:10:55] It was just fine.

[00:10:56] We had holes to run through and, and was there some kind, I don't know if anybody's listening

[00:11:02] and has more insight into this, please let us know.

[00:11:04] But is there, what did the bears do?

[00:11:08] Like, like what, what changed?

[00:11:11] Um, yeah, like, no, like what did the bears do on defense to, you know, basically render

[00:11:20] our attack powerless after that first, you know, good drive.

[00:11:24] Well, I mean, I'll throw out a couple of things.

[00:11:26] I mean, for one, uh, and I don't have the stats up in front of me, but I felt like this and

[00:11:32] I know the bears got up on us, you know, they were up by a couple of touchdowns, but I felt

[00:11:38] like this was another example of Dave Canales kind of abandoning the run.

[00:11:44] Yeah.

[00:11:44] Yeah.

[00:11:44] The run game.

[00:11:45] That's what we're predicated on.

[00:11:46] That's what this offense is built on.

[00:11:48] Chuba Hubbard, I think only had 13 carries.

[00:11:51] And again, I know like game script played a part in that, but he, if you look at Chuba's

[00:11:58] stats, I believe he averaged over six yards per carry in this game, but he only had 13 carries.

[00:12:05] Yeah.

[00:12:05] And if, even if you, I think I saw somebody say, even if you take away that 30 something

[00:12:10] yard touchdown run, he was still at like five yards per carry.

[00:12:14] So I get that we were down, but if we're, if we're just coming out and lining up in shotgun

[00:12:21] or pistol or whatever it is with Andy Dalton, and we're trying to throw it on first down,

[00:12:25] we don't have the, we're not set up in my opinion to be successful with that approach.

[00:12:34] And then on top of that, I think as far as your question as to like, what did the bears

[00:12:38] do to, you know, render our offense so, you know, useless.

[00:12:44] And part of, I kind of listened to the announcers and side note, Jonathan Vilma, I don't like listening

[00:12:53] to him call a game.

[00:12:54] A lot of Panthers fans were trashing him on Twitter today.

[00:12:59] He's not my favorite, but you know, he does know a lot more about football than you or I.

[00:13:04] So I, you know, I was kind of listening to a couple of the things he was saying and he

[00:13:08] was kind of pointing out that like the bears, the bears secondary, they were just kind of

[00:13:13] squatting on all of our routes because there was no, there was no, there was no threat

[00:13:19] of the deep ball.

[00:13:21] And it was like last year.

[00:13:22] It was like last year.

[00:13:24] And you notice with Andy up until this week, like weeks one through four or whatever, Andy

[00:13:31] Dalton was second in the NFL, I believe in like how quickly he was getting rid of the

[00:13:37] ball on a consistent basis.

[00:13:39] And today that was not the case.

[00:13:41] You notice he was holding onto the ball a lot longer and either taking a sack or, you

[00:13:48] know, barely getting rid of the ball before he gets hit.

[00:13:50] He took a lot of hits today.

[00:13:52] Yeah.

[00:13:52] Andy Dalton took a lot more.

[00:13:54] He got hit a lot more today than he did the last, his last couple of starts.

[00:13:59] So I think that, um, the bears have, they have a couple of really, really good cornerbacks,

[00:14:05] um, that covered up like Deontay Johnson.

[00:14:09] You know, I, I haven't seen like the film to see like how open he was on certain plays,

[00:14:14] of course, but it didn't seem like Deontay Johnson was getting open as consistently as

[00:14:19] he normally does.

[00:14:20] You know, Xavier Leggett at one point got hurt, you know, hurt his shoulder and had to leave

[00:14:26] the game.

[00:14:27] So at that point it's Deontay Johnson, all of a sudden Jonathan Mingo is forced into that

[00:14:33] second wide receiver role, which I don't know about you, but I'm, I'm very, very close to

[00:14:40] being just out on Jonathan Mingo.

[00:14:44] So like he, that dude is pissing me off.

[00:14:47] Um, yeah.

[00:14:48] And then Jalen Coker, who, by the way, Jalen Coker is better than Jonathan Mingo.

[00:14:53] I'm just gonna, I'm just gonna go ahead and say that.

[00:14:55] I've seen a lot of people talking about that today.

[00:14:57] I 100% agree with that.

[00:14:59] I think, I think at this point, what are we, are we one in four or one in five?

[00:15:04] One in four.

[00:15:06] Okay.

[00:15:06] So you're one in four, you know, Adam Thielen's hurt right now.

[00:15:10] Xavier Leggett, hopefully he doesn't miss time, but Jalen Coker.

[00:15:14] Coker, he had a pretty good game today.

[00:15:16] He had a couple of really good catches.

[00:15:18] Um, I hope he gets more time moving forward, but back to just talking about kind of the

[00:15:23] flow of the game.

[00:15:24] Yeah.

[00:15:25] That we just, the, the bears past defense looks elite.

[00:15:29] They really do.

[00:15:30] Yeah.

[00:15:31] I mean, it just seemed like we couldn't do anything on them.

[00:15:34] Um, you seen any comments here?

[00:15:36] We could.

[00:15:37] Yeah.

[00:15:37] I wanted, um, I wanted to, uh, say, uh, to Anthony C, uh, C3 Anthony, we're going to

[00:15:42] talking about Bryce, uh, versus Andy here in just a little bit.

[00:15:46] Um, so want to make sure that, uh, we, we see, uh, I think we're going to, we're going

[00:15:50] to chat on that here in just a little bit.

[00:15:53] Um, black beard up here in, uh, on X asked me if a three, one season is a three, one

[00:15:58] season of success.

[00:15:59] Coker was, uh, was our leading receiver.

[00:16:01] He was, um, he ended up with 68 yards on four receptions.

[00:16:05] Um, which is a bummer to have that as our, our number one receiver.

[00:16:10] Uh, but it is what, you know, it is what it is.

[00:16:13] Um, you know, we can talk about what you're talking about here.

[00:16:16] This comment here.

[00:16:17] Yeah.

[00:16:18] Which, um, so, you know, a three week, three win season being a success.

[00:16:22] Um, it wasn't going to be for me.

[00:16:25] I think, you know, we want to, I wanted five win four to five wins would be like, uh, okay.

[00:16:31] Um, so if we can, hopefully we'll be able to continue to build on this, uh, Ben, what

[00:16:34] do you think on, on the, uh, quick hit of a three win season being a success?

[00:16:41] Yeah.

[00:16:41] I mean, if we only win three games, I guess there's two ways to look at it.

[00:16:47] You know, it would be, how does the team look?

[00:16:51] Cause we know, here's the thing we know, we know that our defense is terrible.

[00:16:56] They're going to be terrible.

[00:16:58] They're probably not going to improve dramatically.

[00:17:01] They'll have, they'll probably have some better performances than today, but, um, the defense

[00:17:07] is, is bad.

[00:17:08] And we were, you know, depleted on that side of the ball already when the season started.

[00:17:15] And now with Derek Brown being out and, um, Shaq Thompson, you know, going down, um, it's,

[00:17:22] it's even more depleted and, uh, it's just not a good unit.

[00:17:26] So the defense is going to continue to be bad.

[00:17:29] But as far as the offense, if we only win three games, but we're losing games in the

[00:17:36] fashion that we lost to the Bengals consistently, as opposed to losing games in the fashion that

[00:17:43] we lost to the bears today and to the chargers and to the saints, then I might feel a little

[00:17:50] bit better about the direction of the team moving forward.

[00:17:52] If we only win three games, but if we only win three games and our offense looks like it

[00:17:58] did today, then I'm not going to call it a success personally.

[00:18:04] Um, what else we got?

[00:18:06] Let's see here.

[00:18:08] Um, oh, here's one for you.

[00:18:09] I wanted to throw this one out.

[00:18:10] Uh, NW key is saying, I didn't think fans would feel the weeks one to two pain again this

[00:18:19] season.

[00:18:19] And here we are.

[00:18:20] Yeah.

[00:18:21] That's kind of what we were saying earlier that those first couple of weeks were so bad.

[00:18:26] And then the last two weeks, you know, it was encouraging to see how the team responded

[00:18:31] with Dalton starting.

[00:18:34] And, um, now we're here where it seemed today really felt like a blast from the past.

[00:18:41] If you want to call it that, um, how the first couple of games felt.

[00:18:47] So I don't know.

[00:18:48] It's just, yeah, I don't know.

[00:18:53] Uh, what up QP?

[00:18:54] Thanks so much for joining us.

[00:18:55] Hey, uh, if anybody, uh, you know, make your, make comments in, uh, in X, in, uh, YouTube,

[00:19:00] uh, you know, let us know what you guys are thinking as well.

[00:19:02] We'd love to, you know, have a conversation with you about, uh, whatever we're chatting

[00:19:06] about.

[00:19:06] We'd love to hear your thoughts.

[00:19:08] Um, Hey, I, what are your thoughts on the, uh, kerfuffle towards the end of the game

[00:19:12] with the little scuffle with, uh, JC Horn and, um, you know, all of that, you know, my,

[00:19:19] well, first of all, you tell me your thoughts.

[00:19:21] I want to, I want to know how you perceive that.

[00:19:25] Um, I honestly, by that point in the game, I was relatively checked out.

[00:19:32] I was, um, I was looking at my phone.

[00:19:35] Um, I kind of kept glancing up at the screen and I saw that there was some sort of fight

[00:19:39] going on and I'm like, what are they doing?

[00:19:41] The game's over.

[00:19:42] Why are they, why are they fighting?

[00:19:43] And then I was like, let me, let me rewind it.

[00:19:46] So I, I went back and I, I saw what happened.

[00:19:49] I saw JC Horn kind of gotten, gotten the guy's face or, you know, they got in each other's

[00:19:54] face horn, uh, hit the guy with, with two hands, um, in the, in the helmet.

[00:20:01] And then another guy from, from the bears came over and like, literally like punched

[00:20:07] horn in the side of the helmet, which by the way, um, and, and listen, I'm not out there,

[00:20:14] you know, I'm not in the heat of the battle.

[00:20:16] I'm not, you know, they're competitive juices are flowing.

[00:20:18] You know, the Panthers players were pissed off at that point in the game.

[00:20:24] They're frustrated.

[00:20:24] I get that.

[00:20:26] Um, but if you're, if you're the bears player and I've seen so many player NFL players do

[00:20:31] this, why would you punch someone that has a helmet on?

[00:20:36] Like you're just going to hurt your own.

[00:20:39] It's so stupid.

[00:20:40] I said that out loud when I was watching it today too.

[00:20:43] It's so dumb.

[00:20:45] Of all the things you could try to punch a helmet needs to be at the bottom of your

[00:20:48] list.

[00:20:49] Right.

[00:20:51] I mean, I just don't get that.

[00:20:54] But anyway, as far as like, you know, horn got, got, what did he get disqualified?

[00:20:58] He got thrown out of the game and sort of the other guy, like, I mean, you like

[00:21:03] Canales said after the game, like, Hey, you got to keep your cool in those

[00:21:06] situations, but the game was over.

[00:21:10] Like, do I, do I agree with it?

[00:21:12] Like, should horn have done it?

[00:21:13] No, but yeah.

[00:21:15] JC horn is the best player on, on our defense right now, since Derek Brown is not

[00:21:23] out.

[00:21:24] And I'm sure he's extremely frustrated because he probably feels like, man, I'm

[00:21:30] doing my job.

[00:21:32] Y'all aren't doing your jobs.

[00:21:35] Like I'm tired of this shit.

[00:21:37] I'm tired of losing.

[00:21:38] It's tricky though.

[00:21:38] So yeah, it's tricky though, because he's also the same player who continued to get

[00:21:42] injured.

[00:21:42] So he couldn't do his job.

[00:21:44] I don't know.

[00:21:44] A lot.

[00:21:45] So there's context to it for sure.

[00:21:47] I just don't, I didn't, I didn't view it as that, that big of a deal.

[00:21:52] Like I didn't view it as a big deal, but I viewed it as like, that's the kind of shit

[00:22:01] Canales wants to get rid of.

[00:22:03] Yeah.

[00:22:04] Like, like as soon as it happened, that was my very first, that's what I said out loud

[00:22:09] was Canales is not going to like that.

[00:22:12] Right?

[00:22:12] Like it shows, I know that everybody was frustrated.

[00:22:15] Hell, we were on the couch frustrated and we hadn't put in a week's worth of effort trying

[00:22:18] to game plan and then get blown off of the turf.

[00:22:21] Right?

[00:22:22] Yeah.

[00:22:22] Everybody was frustrated.

[00:22:23] None of us is frustrated as the players on the field, but Canales preaches discipline,

[00:22:33] preaches discipline.

[00:22:34] And then when he's done preaching about discipline, he preaches about discipline again.

[00:22:38] And so like to show kind of the lack of that, um, I was very curious to see how he was going

[00:22:45] to handle that, given that it was horn that, you know, was kind of the instigator in there.

[00:22:50] Um, and it wasn't like a, you know, a third string bit player because we only had, you know,

[00:22:55] four or five minutes left in the game or whatever it was.

[00:22:58] Yeah.

[00:22:59] Um, and I, it's interesting because when I watch Canales and I watch his reactions and

[00:23:06] I watch his decisions.

[00:23:08] Yeah.

[00:23:08] He is so consistent.

[00:23:11] Yeah.

[00:23:11] I mean, he is.

[00:23:12] And I was, I was talking to my dad earlier tonight on the phone about it and you know,

[00:23:17] he was, he was just talking about how like Canales, like, he seems like the right coach.

[00:23:24] Like he has everybody's respect and to see him bench Bryce in the way that he did in a

[00:23:30] very hard decision like that.

[00:23:32] And he's out there in front of the media saying, Hey, JC, JC, we just, we gotta be better.

[00:23:39] You know, like you gotta protect, you gotta protect each other because when that stuff

[00:23:43] starts escalating, then you have the opportunity for injury.

[00:23:48] Yeah.

[00:23:48] That's true.

[00:23:49] You know?

[00:23:49] And so like, that's what Canales was trying to say by protecting each other, right?

[00:23:54] Not going out and like tackling somebody who pushes your, your dude, but deescalating the

[00:23:59] situation so that people don't get injured.

[00:24:01] And we don't have like a Mason Rudolph, you know, situation like we did with the, with

[00:24:06] Garrett Wilson or Garrett Wilson.

[00:24:09] Remember that?

[00:24:10] Miles Garrett.

[00:24:11] Yeah.

[00:24:11] Miles Garrett.

[00:24:12] Thank you.

[00:24:13] You know, like that's the kind of thing that can legitimately happen when tempers are at

[00:24:17] a, you know, an all time high.

[00:24:19] And so I didn't view that specific instance and like the concept of the game as a big,

[00:24:26] is a big deal.

[00:24:26] But I do think that it's another instance for Canales to put his thumbprint on how he

[00:24:33] expects players to act and how he expects players to hold each other accountable.

[00:24:40] So anyway, I just, I know that might be a little bit esoteric, but I think it is important.

[00:24:45] Like when you're looking at a first time head coach and how they're going to come in and

[00:24:48] continuing to try to change the culture of a locker room to get up there and say, you

[00:24:52] know, we just can't do that.

[00:24:54] We have to protect each other.

[00:24:55] Yeah.

[00:24:56] I mean, I mean, I think, yeah, I think that JC Horn knows that that was not the right

[00:25:03] thing to do.

[00:25:04] Sure.

[00:25:04] I think that all the players know that.

[00:25:06] I'll be honest with you.

[00:25:08] There is part of me that's kind of like, finally, we showed some effing fight.

[00:25:13] Like, finally.

[00:25:15] Yeah.

[00:25:15] Like we got our asses handed to us all game.

[00:25:18] We got physically dominated all game.

[00:25:21] And so I don't, as someone who played sports, you know, growing up, like as a competitive

[00:25:31] person, naturally competitive person, like I don't like to lose.

[00:25:36] And, you know, JC Horn is again, he, he probably knows just as well as anybody that it wasn't

[00:25:43] the right thing to do.

[00:25:43] But there is a small part of me that's kind of like about time you guys showed some fight,

[00:25:48] but just maybe be smarter about it.

[00:25:50] Like, don't get thrown out of the game.

[00:25:51] And it's so funny because in the press conference, Canal said something like that.

[00:25:56] I've always told my kid, which is like, never retaliate.

[00:25:59] Like, it's always the second person.

[00:26:01] Yeah.

[00:26:02] You know, the second person is always the one that gets in trouble.

[00:26:05] And was he the second person?

[00:26:06] Yeah.

[00:26:07] Horn, somebody like swiped at Horn and then he turned around and like went after him with

[00:26:11] the big shove.

[00:26:12] And that's kind of what went from there.

[00:26:14] Okay.

[00:26:15] Anyway, I'm like you, we had all, we had already been texting.

[00:26:19] I think it was towards the beginning of the fourth quarter of if we weren't going to

[00:26:23] need to talk about the game, we would probably not have been watching it.

[00:26:27] I mean, it was that bad.

[00:26:28] It was that bad.

[00:26:30] Can we talk about the, you mentioned it earlier, but just the miscommunications.

[00:26:36] I mean, having too many players on the field, the penalties.

[00:26:41] I don't, again, I don't have the stats in front of me right now, so I don't know how

[00:26:44] many penalties we had overall, but, you know, what do you chalk that up to?

[00:26:51] I mean, is that on the coaches?

[00:26:53] Is that on the players?

[00:26:56] I mean, it's, I don't know.

[00:26:59] I don't know who was supposed to be where necessarily, but it looked sloppy and there

[00:27:04] was enough of it that it wasn't just a one-off, right?

[00:27:08] It's, there was, it was a trend and we need to stop that trend.

[00:27:14] That's, that's not, that's not one that we want to be on clearly.

[00:27:18] And so I don't know who was ultimately at fault, but it's clear that more attention this week

[00:27:25] needs to be paid on.

[00:27:28] And I don't know if it's substitution packages.

[00:27:31] I, I clearly, I truly have no idea.

[00:27:33] It's hard.

[00:27:34] It's hard to note from our vantage point, like exactly what happened, but all we know is

[00:27:37] that it was, it just looks like sloppy, like you said, miscommunications.

[00:27:43] Something I felt like was a real kind of turning point in the game was the Tommy Trimble concussion.

[00:27:52] Um, what, what was your viewpoint on that?

[00:27:55] Because from, from where I was sitting, I mean, I know that Tommy Trimble kind of led with his helmet

[00:28:03] as he was kind of coming at the defender at the end of that play.

[00:28:07] And that he, you know, he shouldn't be doing that.

[00:28:10] That's not a smart move at all.

[00:28:12] Yeah.

[00:28:13] It's kind of, you know what, it's kind of similar in a way to what happened to Tua with the Dolphins,

[00:28:19] how he like was leading with his helmet and crashed into the defender and not like essentially

[00:28:25] like knocked himself out.

[00:28:27] Um, with Trimble, I don't know.

[00:28:29] I felt like a flag should have been thrown there because I know Trimble was leading with

[00:28:34] the crown of his helmet, but the defender was coming in and helmet to helmet contact and

[00:28:41] knocked him out and the ball immediately, he immediately just like crumbled.

[00:28:45] And I've seen, I've seen that flag thrown.

[00:28:48] So many times when I've been watching other games.

[00:28:52] And so I was kind of looking around the living room at no one.

[00:28:55] Cause I was by myself watching the game and I'm like, are you kidding?

[00:28:59] Are what there's no flag, no flag on that.

[00:29:02] I don't know.

[00:29:02] How did you feel about it?

[00:29:04] All right.

[00:29:05] This is, I don't know if you know, I've ever talked about this, but this is like, I do have

[00:29:09] this beef with the NFL and with college football.

[00:29:12] And I will probably squarely be on the side of the defensive player on this and the really,

[00:29:20] yeah, because I think the, the level at which the leagues try to hold the defensive players

[00:29:31] accountable.

[00:29:32] Like these, these are men who run more than 20 miles an hour, which when you're traveling

[00:29:39] in a car is not very fast when it's two legs traveling over 20 miles an hour.

[00:29:45] Like it is almost impossible to change your momentum and to avoid when an offensive player

[00:29:56] knows they're going to be hit.

[00:29:58] Yeah.

[00:29:59] And they lower their head into the hit.

[00:30:01] What do you want the defensive player to do?

[00:30:03] It's tough.

[00:30:04] It is tough.

[00:30:05] What, what do you want them to do?

[00:30:07] They are literally mountains of men with, with have so much body mass and I want them

[00:30:14] to not tackle him and just let him go forward.

[00:30:17] But it's literally, you know, but I know you say that in jest, but it's what Canales said

[00:30:22] at the press conference today and what we say every week.

[00:30:23] It's a contact sport.

[00:30:26] Yeah.

[00:30:26] Is that what he said?

[00:30:27] I didn't, I didn't watch his press conference yet.

[00:30:28] Yeah.

[00:30:29] So he's like, he's like, Hey, listen, it's a contact sport.

[00:30:31] You know, he said all the right things.

[00:30:32] We're going to hold off on making any comments about injuries until we learn more about the

[00:30:36] details, blah, blah, blah.

[00:30:37] Guys rather play in the right way, you know, all those things.

[00:30:39] But the fact of the matter is this, when you have guys that have enough power to get their

[00:30:46] body moving as fast as they do with as much mass behind them, like that is a tremendous

[00:30:52] amount of force.

[00:30:53] And it takes a lot of force to change that direction, let alone stop it.

[00:30:57] So when you have a defender who is trying to be heads up, trying to tackle as best that

[00:31:03] they possibly can, and you've got an offensive player who leans into it, then that's not the

[00:31:10] defender's fault.

[00:31:11] Like I have seen so many times where the, where the flag has been thrown on the defensive player.

[00:31:17] And it's just like, I don't know what you expect them to do.

[00:31:19] I, so I will agree with you that, and, and I can see in that particular instance with Tommy

[00:31:25] Trimble, how it could, I do agree that like, that's one of those where you could say like,

[00:31:32] what do you want me to, what did you want him to do?

[00:31:34] You know, Tommy Trimble lowered his head type of thing.

[00:31:37] And so I do agree.

[00:31:38] And there, and there's a lot of those types of instances that happen.

[00:31:41] And I mean, there's also a lot of instances of defenders, like it's blatantly clear that

[00:31:48] they were like targeting, you know, but that was not one of those.

[00:31:52] This is not, this is not one of those things.

[00:31:54] Like if the defensive player lowers his head launches, does all the things that they're

[00:31:58] not supposed to do, then sure.

[00:32:00] Throw the flag, right?

[00:32:01] 1000%.

[00:32:02] We want to keep guys as healthy as possible, but this is not one of those instances.

[00:32:06] This, it was just two, two really strong, fast, powerful football players who met and

[00:32:15] it was a couple of inches in one direction and, and it got Trimble the wrong way.

[00:32:21] Yeah.

[00:32:22] It sucks.

[00:32:22] That's the reality.

[00:32:23] It does.

[00:32:24] It does.

[00:32:24] It's the reality.

[00:32:25] I want to get to this question from Spencer here.

[00:32:28] What's up, Spencer?

[00:32:29] I'm kind of going a little off, off the topic here of just specifically talking about

[00:32:35] the game.

[00:32:35] So Spencer said, is there any concern that with a roster looking so depleted and devoid

[00:32:41] of talent, Dave Canales won't be able to win enough games in the short term to keep the

[00:32:47] job long-term and allow the process with him to play out?

[00:32:51] What do you think?

[00:32:54] No, I don't.

[00:32:55] Yeah, I don't, I don't, I'm not concerned about it.

[00:32:59] I think that Canales and Morgan have been given a very long leash.

[00:33:06] Everybody understands that this is a long-term turnaround thing.

[00:33:11] Um, and I think that Canales has this mentality of, I was not here just to coach Bryce Young.

[00:33:20] I was not here just to coach Andy Dalton.

[00:33:22] I was here to help the Carolina Panthers win.

[00:33:24] Um, and we're going to do whatever we can to help the Carolina Panthers win.

[00:33:28] Um, and so given that he has that, that, like that mentality, that is his approach to the

[00:33:34] season and to the team.

[00:33:35] I don't think he's feeling the stress of having to, uh, perform immediately, which is good.

[00:33:41] I don't think he should have that stress.

[00:33:43] I think that they should have the freedom to do as much overhaul on the roster as necessary.

[00:33:47] And that's just, that's just going to mean that we're not going to win some games.

[00:33:51] Um, but yeah, I think that, uh, I'm not concerned about it.

[00:33:55] What about you?

[00:33:57] I'm not really concerned about it that much either.

[00:33:59] I mean, I think I agree with you.

[00:34:03] I think that they're going to get a longer leash.

[00:34:05] Um, Dave Dallas is going to get a longer leash than Frank Reich got last year.

[00:34:10] What was it?

[00:34:11] 11 games.

[00:34:12] Um, and you know, I was kind of, I was tweeting about this earlier that, you know, Dave Canales,

[00:34:20] it is fair to critique.

[00:34:22] It is fair to critique the, the, the play calling at times, the situational decision-making,

[00:34:30] um, all of that, the strategy, all that stuff, a hundred percent fair.

[00:34:35] To critique those things with Dave Canales as fans, us as fans.

[00:34:39] But, um, the reality is, what is he?

[00:34:44] Five games into his head coaching career.

[00:34:46] He has had, he has been the head coach of a football team of a professional football team

[00:34:51] for five games.

[00:34:53] And this is, even before all of our injuries, even before Derrick Brown got hurt and Shaq Thompson

[00:35:01] got hurt.

[00:35:03] This was one of, if not the worst rosters in the NFL.

[00:35:08] Now it's definitely the worst roster in the NFL.

[00:35:12] Now that we've had all these injuries, like there's no question about it.

[00:35:15] Um, we are a roster that's generally devoid of talent.

[00:35:20] And I agree with what you said.

[00:35:23] I'm, I'm of the opinion that Dave Canales, uh, you and I both agree that Dave Canales

[00:35:28] made the decision to bench Bryce Young.

[00:35:32] I think that David Tepper was part of the conversation and signed off on it.

[00:35:37] Let's be clear.

[00:35:38] He had to approve it.

[00:35:39] 100% he had to approve it.

[00:35:40] But I think that Dave Canales ultimately was the one that watched the tape and decided that

[00:35:47] Andy Dalton gives us the best, best chance to win.

[00:35:50] Um, but so in saying all that to Spencer's question again, um, no, I don't think that, uh,

[00:35:58] even if we only win, you know, to, to that earlier question we have, even, even if we only

[00:36:04] win two or three games this year, I still think we go into next year with Dave Canales

[00:36:09] as our head coach.

[00:36:12] Yep.

[00:36:12] I do too.

[00:36:15] Um, all right.

[00:36:16] So back to the game, Caleb Williams.

[00:36:20] I mean, can we talk about the fact that, I mean, I'll, I'll say like he had some good

[00:36:26] plays today.

[00:36:27] Like I was impressed by some of the throws that he made.

[00:36:29] I was impressed by, uh, I was impressed by his ability to avoid pressure and, you know,

[00:36:36] um, create off schedule, all those things.

[00:36:39] But my God, we do not have a pass rush whatsoever.

[00:36:45] I mean, it was so just embarrassing to watch.

[00:36:50] Um, and the defense just, this is probably going to be the easiest game.

[00:36:57] That Caleb Williams plays the whole season.

[00:36:59] I mean, he, he, it was just easy.

[00:37:04] It was easy for him.

[00:37:05] It was easy for their offense and you had guys running wide open again, our defense.

[00:37:10] We knew that it was bad.

[00:37:12] We knew that we were depleted with injuries, but I just didn't expect them to be this bad

[00:37:18] today.

[00:37:18] I thought that they would put up a little bit more of a fight.

[00:37:21] Yeah.

[00:37:22] Um, I threw up Gerald's comment here.

[00:37:24] Uh, here's what the Panthers fans missed.

[00:37:26] Yes.

[00:37:26] Caleb is a rookie who had ups and downs, et cetera.

[00:37:29] However, he has gotten better every quarter.

[00:37:31] This was the next logical step.

[00:37:32] I didn't think the Panthers had a chance.

[00:37:34] Yeah.

[00:37:34] I think it's one of those things looking back in hindsight, um, you know, injuries were tougher

[00:37:39] on us than we thought that they were going to be.

[00:37:41] I do think that we, we, we could have had a shot.

[00:37:44] We definitely had, um, you know, control of the game, uh, to a certain extent at the

[00:37:49] beginning and just kind of let it get away and not do our thing.

[00:37:51] But Hey, there's no doubt about it.

[00:37:53] Um, I think I can't stand Caleb Williams, his personality.

[00:37:57] Uh, there's nobody I want to listen to talk less.

[00:38:00] Well, there are, but I, I just, I don't enjoy him as a personality.

[00:38:06] Um, but there's no doubt about the fact that he, um, continued to improve.

[00:38:11] Through the game today.

[00:38:13] And I haven't, I haven't watched many of his, um, uh, you know, of the games previous to

[00:38:18] this, but he, he looked really good and I think he's going to be an excellent player.

[00:38:22] I think that we made, uh, we made it easy on him a little bit sometimes by not being

[00:38:26] able to tackle, but, um, yeah, he was, he was very elusive and he was, uh, he was good

[00:38:31] to watch for sure.

[00:38:32] I mean, that touchdown to DJ Moore, the first one I, I, I tweeted, I was like, I, um, you

[00:38:40] know, I feel like I could have made that throw.

[00:38:43] Like there were, there were a couple of plays out there where guys were just running wide

[00:38:46] open and it made it really easy on them.

[00:38:49] Um, let's see here.

[00:38:52] Uh, Anthony.

[00:38:53] Oh, Anthony had a question earlier.

[00:38:55] He said, I'm assuming you're saving my talking points for later in the show.

[00:38:59] What did he say?

[00:39:00] Uh, yeah, we were talking about Bryce and Andy and how long does it take?

[00:39:04] Well, yes, Anthony, we'll get to that here.

[00:39:07] Um, here soon.

[00:39:08] Um, I just, before we do, I want to shout out, I do want to shout out Trevin Wallace,

[00:39:13] uh, because in a game that was mostly terrible, uh, it's his, it was literally his first start

[00:39:23] in the NFL.

[00:39:24] He came away with 15 tackles, uh, 10 solo tackles.

[00:39:29] And of course he was calling the plays on defense as well.

[00:39:34] So I thought it was an impressive performance and Hey, maybe some of the miscommunication

[00:39:40] issues were a result of Trevin Wallace struggling a little bit with, with that, with that role.

[00:39:46] But I thought that overall he, he put out a good performance for his being his first start

[00:39:52] in the NFL.

[00:39:54] Yeah.

[00:39:54] I just, I was excited to watch him play.

[00:39:56] I hated the circumstances under which he was starting, uh, with Josie and Shaq out, but,

[00:40:00] um, I was excited about it because I have enjoyed watching him a lot during the preseason.

[00:40:05] We haven't gotten to see him as much during the regular season for obvious reasons, uh,

[00:40:09] from a death chart perspective, but I was really excited for him to have the opportunity.

[00:40:13] And I think overall he did a really good job.

[00:40:15] Um, I think, you know, again, it's hard to know whether it's game plan or on field adjustments

[00:40:22] or, or, or, or whatever else.

[00:40:24] Uh, but I think overall, like despite the score, I didn't think it was like his responsibility

[00:40:30] that we, you know, that we let in so many points.

[00:40:33] Um, so I was excited, uh, I was excited to see that and, um, you know, really looking forward

[00:40:40] to seeing the future of kind of what he can, what he can kind of come into.

[00:40:43] I know I'm assuming you did not see, um, there was a locker room sound from him.

[00:40:49] Uh, you know, that they, they post after the game or whatever.

[00:40:52] And on that fourth and one play, um, where he came up with like the fourth and one stop,

[00:40:58] um, and hit the running back, whatever, you know, people went crazy.

[00:41:01] He said he didn't even know it was fourth down.

[00:41:05] It's like, he's like, I didn't even know it was fourth down.

[00:41:08] I mean, that's just a little, I made the play.

[00:41:10] Yeah.

[00:41:10] Yeah.

[00:41:10] I know.

[00:41:11] So like, we're sitting here like talking about like, yeah, he did a great job.

[00:41:14] And then he's in the locker room.

[00:41:15] Like, I didn't even know it was fourth down.

[00:41:16] I was just hitting somebody.

[00:41:18] Yeah.

[00:41:18] Maybe there's, there's some things that, uh, like I'm all for like being transparent and

[00:41:24] honest.

[00:41:25] There's some things maybe you just hold, keep yourself.

[00:41:28] But like, it's, it's like, it's like one of those moments that like you get every once

[00:41:33] in a while with rookies who are not used to being asked questions and they say something

[00:41:37] that they're not supposed to say.

[00:41:39] They, uh, it happened one time earlier this, uh, earlier in the season or earlier in the,

[00:41:43] uh, in the preseason or something where there was a player that was just like talking about

[00:41:47] like the check down or what, like what the, what the adjustment was or something like that.

[00:41:51] And, um, oh, it was, uh, Leggett.

[00:41:53] What did he say?

[00:41:54] Uh, Leggett said something and, um, I was, I'm mixing a couple of things around.

[00:41:59] Sorry.

[00:41:59] It was before the draft.

[00:42:00] And when Leggett was talking about, um, talking about how well he got along with the Panthers

[00:42:04] and how he was waiting on a call from the Panthers, the Panthers were going to draft him and that

[00:42:08] kind of thing.

[00:42:08] We gave it away.

[00:42:09] You do.

[00:42:09] Yeah.

[00:42:10] So like every once in a while you get like a player that like lets their guard down just

[00:42:14] enough and they're inexperienced enough to say something stupid.

[00:42:17] And I relish in it because we've all been there in the career and like we've said or

[00:42:21] done something stupid.

[00:42:22] Um, and so anyway, I just thought that was really funny how his comments are.

[00:42:27] I didn't even know it was fourth down.

[00:42:28] Yeah, that was funny.

[00:42:30] That was funny.

[00:42:31] Um, so let's get to, let's, let's move on to Anthony's question here.

[00:42:36] Um, this was the second, he had kind of a two-parter comment.

[00:42:41] This was the second part of it.

[00:42:43] How many games does it take to let Bryce play again?

[00:42:48] If we're getting blown out with Andy, I don't know what the issue is with putting him back

[00:42:53] in.

[00:42:54] So obviously today we saw Bryce Young, he got to come in at the end of the game and, uh,

[00:43:01] granted, I think it's important to note that was when the game was already over.

[00:43:08] Yeah.

[00:43:08] You know, the Bears defense was playing a majority of the players that were on the field

[00:43:13] for the Bears at that point, if not all were backups and they were playing a soft coverage,

[00:43:21] you know, prevent coverage, whatever it was.

[00:43:24] But Bryce, to his credit, he came out, he looked, you know, for that one drive that he got an

[00:43:30] opportunity.

[00:43:31] He looked competent.

[00:43:32] He made a couple of really good throws connected with, um, Jalen Coker a couple of times, had

[00:43:38] a nice, had a nice throw to Miles Sanders on the run there.

[00:43:43] Um, and I'm all for that.

[00:43:46] I'm all for if we're getting blown out right now and we're, the game is completely out of

[00:43:52] hand.

[00:43:53] I'm all for, Hey, let's throw Bryce in there.

[00:43:56] Let's let him get, get him some reps.

[00:43:58] Let's let him get some opportunities, build some confidence, all that stuff.

[00:44:02] But I'm, I'm not there yet personally, as far as wanting to just throw Bryce back out there

[00:44:12] as the starter.

[00:44:14] I think that it's, I think that it's way too early to flip flop back to Bryce as the

[00:44:22] starter when literally just three weeks, three weeks ago, Dave Canales said, Andy Dalton gives

[00:44:28] this team the best chance to win.

[00:44:31] It's only been three weeks and two of the three games that Andy Dalton has played.

[00:44:36] He looked really good today.

[00:44:38] He didn't look good, but the entire team didn't look good.

[00:44:42] The bears defense completely had our number.

[00:44:45] So I personally, and this is the caveat or important qualifier here.

[00:44:51] This is coming from a huge, huge Bryce young supporter.

[00:44:55] I I've been a huge supporter.

[00:44:57] I'm still a big supporter of him.

[00:44:58] I want to see him succeed.

[00:45:00] I hope that he can turn it around and be our franchise quarterback.

[00:45:05] But I agree with what Dave Canales said.

[00:45:09] I think that right now, Andy Dalton gives this offense the best chance at success.

[00:45:14] I think that he gives this team the best chance to win.

[00:45:18] I guess it's, I guess to Anthony's question, it kind of comes into the question that kind

[00:45:24] of comes into my head is how many, how many games does it take?

[00:45:28] Like if we lose the next three or four games in this fashion that we lost today, do we, do they go back to Bryce Young?

[00:45:38] I guess.

[00:45:39] And then what I said before this game is that I feel like since you made the change to Andy Dalton, that Andy Dalton should be the starter until either a, he gets injured or B, we are already mathematically eliminated from the playoff race.

[00:46:01] And they want to put Bryce back in as the starter to be able to evaluate his ultimate future with the team.

[00:46:10] Where do you stand on it?

[00:46:12] Yeah.

[00:46:13] I mean, I think that the real question is, are we a Bryce away from being better?

[00:46:19] The answer to that's no, right?

[00:46:21] Like, and even if we lose two or three games, we're probably not a Bryce away from being better.

[00:46:27] And so, you know, the, the question really comes down to where does Bryce have the opportunity to learn best?

[00:46:37] If we're moving forward with the idea that Bryce is still in the running to being, you know, the, the Panthers next top quarterback,

[00:46:50] then we need to make sure that we're continuing to give him the best opportunity to take on that role.

[00:46:55] And that might be an Aaron Rodgers, Jordan Love type, sit and wait for a couple of years at this point or for the rest of the year, whatever.

[00:47:05] And learn from there.

[00:47:07] We've seen the type of things that Bryce can learn from being put in a situation where he's not going to succeed very well.

[00:47:13] And let me remind you of some of the things that he learns.

[00:47:17] He learns to not trust his offensive line.

[00:47:20] He learns, you know, he forgets how to keep his feet set.

[00:47:25] He, you know what I mean?

[00:47:26] Like he, he, he unlearns his fundamentals because he's running for his life.

[00:47:32] And so if what our goal here as an organization is to do is to get Bryce closer to being the quarterback that we drafted.

[00:47:41] Then I think insanity is doing the same thing twice and expecting different results.

[00:47:45] And throwing him back out there to the wolves in, uh, in, in a circumstance and in a situation in which Andy Dalton is getting his ass handed to him.

[00:47:54] Then Bryce isn't going to handle it any better than, than Dalton is.

[00:47:58] We've seen that.

[00:47:59] We've seen that this year.

[00:48:00] It's not going to happen.

[00:48:00] So if we want Bryce to stick around, we're not cutting bait and we're committed to him, you know, potentially being the future of our franchise.

[00:48:09] Yeah.

[00:48:09] Then it has nothing to do with what our record is.

[00:48:13] It does not matter.

[00:48:14] Our record does not matter.

[00:48:16] What matters is what is the type of growth environment that we're going to put Bryce young into.

[00:48:22] And we have to be okay with, if we're trusting the front office and saying that Bryce can still be the dude and they're saying, Hey, you're going to have to just give it time.

[00:48:32] That ain't nothing but time.

[00:48:34] Right.

[00:48:34] That's very hard as fans, but we just have to believe that that's the, that's the best thing for Bryce's development.

[00:48:41] Um, so I don't think that the, I don't, I don't think the record has anything to do with it.

[00:48:49] I don't think wins and losses have anything to do with it.

[00:48:52] I think it truly has to do with where is Bryce mentally?

[00:48:57] Where, where does the front office and the coaching staff believe he is mentally and physically and emotionally?

[00:49:05] And when he's ready, they will unleash him, but they're not going to do that until he's ready.

[00:49:12] And they're not even gonna, they're not even going to like tiptoe that line.

[00:49:17] I don't think.

[00:49:18] And here's the thing.

[00:49:19] I don't think it's going to be like, he's barely ready.

[00:49:20] We're going to put him in.

[00:49:21] Right.

[00:49:22] He's going to have to be, he's going to have to have the confidence of everybody in the locker room and everybody on the coaching staff before they put him in that, that situation again, because they want to be able to support him when things get tough and not backslide and not skid to what we saw all of last year in the beginning.

[00:49:38] Yep.

[00:49:39] Yep.

[00:49:40] And here's the thing.

[00:49:41] You put Bryce back in there.

[00:49:45] That's kind of his last shot.

[00:49:49] Yeah.

[00:49:50] With the Panthers.

[00:49:51] You can't go back after that.

[00:49:53] Like we've already benched our number one pick once 18 games into his career and he was blindsided by it.

[00:50:00] And it, and it, he's probably still processing all of it mentally, internally.

[00:50:07] You throw him back out there again.

[00:50:10] You can't, you can't go back to the Andy Dalton again after that, or his time is 100% over in Carolina.

[00:50:19] And so I think it's a, it's a delicate situation.

[00:50:23] And I just look at it like, and you kind of alluded to this.

[00:50:26] If you're a fan, it's if as a fan, you are interested in Bryce Young being our franchise quarterback.

[00:50:35] Then I don't think that we, I don't think it's in his best interest right now or the team's best interest to put him back in there.

[00:50:43] Yep.

[00:50:44] I totally agree.

[00:50:46] Um, moving on to, and we don't have to spend a lot of time on this, but I don't know if you saw, there's reports out there that, you know, I think it was Jeremy Fowler, uh, was one of the reporters that was kind of talking about how the Panthers could potentially look at trading.

[00:51:04] Deontay Johnson, um, by the trade deadline, if they continue to lose, um, there, there would be some teams out there.

[00:51:12] I'm sure that would be interested in him, but I kind of, I tweeted out earlier, like before the game, I think there was, it was yesterday maybe, or it might've been this morning before the game.

[00:51:26] I said that I think it would be idiotic for the Panthers to trade Deontay Johnson right now.

[00:51:34] He's the number one receiver for the offense.

[00:51:37] Dave Canales has talked about what, what is Dave?

[00:51:42] What have we heard Dave Canales say over and over that his offense is predicated on having a starting point.

[00:51:50] And then everything branches off from there.

[00:51:53] Deontay Johnson is that starting point.

[00:51:55] Yeah.

[00:51:56] The majority of the plays, he is the number of the past plays.

[00:51:59] He is the number one read.

[00:52:00] Yeah.

[00:52:02] If we trade Deontay Johnson for a, for like a draft pick.

[00:52:05] Okay, great.

[00:52:06] We have, we have more draft capital, but then, then our offense really has no shot at having any sort of success in my opinion.

[00:52:19] And so I just, I personally think it's not that I don't think other teams would be interested in trading for him.

[00:52:26] I do think that, but I just think for the Panthers and what Dave Canales is trying to build, I think it would.

[00:52:34] And again, like I would like us to be able to get more draft capital.

[00:52:39] We need all the help we can get because we, this, this roster needs more talent, but I just think it would be dumb right now.

[00:52:47] To trade Deontay Johnson personally, because I, I think it would put our offense in even more of a, of a hole where, I don't know.

[00:52:55] What are your thoughts?

[00:52:58] Yeah.

[00:52:59] I mean, I think that Dan Morgan has made it very clear that he will do what is necessary to improve the roster.

[00:53:11] Yeah.

[00:53:12] Yeah.

[00:53:13] And if he believes that there's a trade on the table that gives the Panthers the best opportunity to win, you know, this year and moving forward.

[00:53:23] Yeah.

[00:53:23] I don't see why he wouldn't at least have those conversations.

[00:53:27] You got to listen.

[00:53:28] Yeah, of course.

[00:53:29] But I don't.

[00:53:32] I, there are areas in which the Panthers are continuing to get better.

[00:53:39] Now they're being hampered by injuries.

[00:53:44] But the offensive line has looked pretty damn good this year.

[00:53:49] Um, you know, we're, we, we were seeing some success and some development on the wider receiver side of things.

[00:53:58] You know, the gets, um, game last week was, was excellent.

[00:54:03] Kind of a bit of a, you know, hopefully like a breakout type thing.

[00:54:06] Yeah.

[00:54:06] Um, but no matter who you have a quarterback, you have to have to have somebody to throw to, um, Jatavion Sanders looked pretty terrible today.

[00:54:16] Um, very, very disappointing.

[00:54:18] I'm sure.

[00:54:19] Mingo continues to look terrible.

[00:54:21] Yeah.

[00:54:21] Like it's feeling is, is out.

[00:54:25] Uh, so it's like, you know, we, we, we can't keep hemorrhaging, you know, receiving people, um, who can do their job.

[00:54:34] So I don't think that there's a way that we get rid of him.

[00:54:37] I don't know.

[00:54:38] And listen, I don't know the ins and the outs of the, of the contract side of things, but isn't this the last year of his contract?

[00:54:44] And so like, if there's a trade, then he's not under contract anymore anyway.

[00:54:48] Right.

[00:54:50] He's right.

[00:54:51] He's only under contract for the rest of this.

[00:54:53] So, you know, some of the, some of the comments that I've seen on, on Twitter about it are, you know, there's no way he's going to want to resign here.

[00:55:03] You know, he's, he's just going to leave after this season anyway.

[00:55:06] So why don't we go ahead and try to, you know, get something for him while we can.

[00:55:11] And I just, I get that, but I don't think that it's a guarantee that he would leave.

[00:55:19] Not every player, believe it or not, not every player's top priority is to be on, you know, a Superbowl contending team.

[00:55:29] Mm-hmm.

[00:55:29] Some guys want to get into a, they want to get paid and they want to get into a comfortable spot.

[00:55:36] And if Deontay Johnson, he didn't have a good game today, but our entire offense stunk today.

[00:55:43] Mm-hmm.

[00:55:43] If Deontay Johnson continues to go down the path that he's on right now with the Panthers, which is, he's playing pretty well.

[00:55:52] And him and Dalton have, have showed that they had a little bit of a connection and he has a good, he has a good season.

[00:55:59] And he believes in what Dave Canales is building here.

[00:56:04] And he wants to continue to be here.

[00:56:05] And the Panthers are willing to pay him.

[00:56:08] I don't see why he wouldn't be interested in coming back if they're willing to pay him, you know, a fair contract.

[00:56:15] Hey, we were able to get, we were able to get Lewis and Hunt here.

[00:56:19] We just had to pay him a hundred million dollars.

[00:56:22] Right.

[00:56:22] So like, you know, you can get players to come play here.

[00:56:27] You just have to come off your hip.

[00:56:28] It's the temper tax.

[00:56:30] Um, and so I don't know.

[00:56:32] I, I, I, I heard about this rumor stuff, you know, I didn't believe it then.

[00:56:37] I don't particularly believe it now.

[00:56:39] I just don't know what comes from that.

[00:56:41] I don't know what benefit comes from that.

[00:56:45] Um, I mean, it would just be draft cap for us.

[00:56:47] You mean for the Panthers?

[00:56:48] Yeah.

[00:56:49] Yeah.

[00:56:50] Draft capital.

[00:56:50] But even in the, but even in the short term, like, I don't know what you'd actually be able to get from him again, because he's not under contract.

[00:56:57] Right.

[00:56:57] So like, yeah.

[00:56:59] I don't know.

[00:56:59] I think that I think that I'm not, I'm not educated on, but it just doesn't seem, it just doesn't intuitively.

[00:57:06] It just doesn't feel like the right thing to do.

[00:57:08] I think at best you're looking at maybe a third round pick.

[00:57:14] I don't think you get a second.

[00:57:16] I don't think you get a second rounder for him.

[00:57:18] No.

[00:57:19] So, yeah.

[00:57:20] I don't know.

[00:57:21] Yeah.

[00:57:21] I don't know.

[00:57:22] Again, that can, that gets into like stuff that I'm out of my depth on, but it just intuitively, it just doesn't seem like it would, it would be the right move for us.

[00:57:30] It, it would leave us.

[00:57:32] I don't remember who was mentioning it earlier, but it was talking about us being left kind of like devoid of talent.

[00:57:38] I, in the chat, I think that that we would find ourselves in that same situation where we would just be even more devoid of talent.

[00:57:45] And that's what, that's, that is a sadly, that's become the Panthers MO, hasn't it?

[00:57:50] Like, Hey, yeah.

[00:57:52] Um, anytime we have a talented player, why don't we go ahead and just get rid of him?

[00:57:56] I mean, we've, how many times have we seen that over the last two, three years?

[00:58:00] Christian McCaffrey, DJ Moore, Brian, like Deontay Johnson is, he's not on DJ Moore's level in my opinion, but he, he's come in here and immediately has shown some flashes.

[00:58:14] Of potentially being able to be that number one option.

[00:58:19] And I think that here's the other thing that I didn't mention.

[00:58:22] If we were going to pay a receiver, if we were going to pay Deontay Johnson right now is the ideal time to do it because our number two receiver, Xavier Leggett is a rookie.

[00:58:36] He's who's on a rookie deal and we have a fifth year option.

[00:58:40] Adam Thielen is probably not going to be, he's definitely not, you know, in the future plans.

[00:58:47] Maybe he's here one more season, but probably not.

[00:58:50] Yeah.

[00:58:52] And so then you can also draft another receiver next year.

[00:58:55] You could maybe go out and free agency and try to grab a couple of guys, but right now is as good a time as any to pay Deontay Johnson if they do want to keep around long-term.

[00:59:06] So I'm just, I'm not a fan of the idea of trading him and I don't, I don't think it happens.

[00:59:11] If it does, then, then I was wrong, but I just don't, I'm not a huge fan.

[00:59:16] I did want to just put Chancellor Sykes, his comment up here just to kind of, you know, we, we kind of talked about this earlier.

[00:59:26] He said a big conversation needs to be had.

[00:59:30] Why Canales is so willing to drop the run the second we have to play from behind.

[00:59:34] It's been a blaring issue, which I think didn't help Price Young weeks one and two.

[00:59:41] So we kind of talked about that a little bit earlier, earlier, Chancellor.

[00:59:46] You know, I don't know.

[00:59:48] It's, it is a little, it is a little frustrating.

[00:59:52] It's a little worrisome because we have seen it more than once where, like we talked about it with Chuba today.

[00:59:59] He had, I believe, 13 carries.

[01:00:01] Um, he of course had the long touchdown run yet.

[01:00:05] 13 carries for 97 yards for an average of seven and a half yards per carry.

[01:00:12] And I know that we, we got down early, pretty early to the bears, but your offense is built on running the ball.

[01:00:22] That's what the offensive line, that's their bread and butter.

[01:00:27] Why are we going away from it so quickly?

[01:00:30] I really, I don't get it.

[01:00:32] Yeah.

[01:00:32] I, and I think what go back, like when we're done here and I, uh, Chancellor, you, you, I would suggest you watch this as well.

[01:00:40] Um, but, uh, Canal is very, very briefly touches on that, uh, in his press conference from after the game today.

[01:00:47] And one of the things that he does talk about is he says, maybe it's on me, you know, maybe it's my play calling me, you know, like that kind of thing.

[01:00:54] So I, I just, I respect that a tremendous amount.

[01:00:58] Um, not, you know, we talked about the way that he handled a couple of things in the press conference from like within the game, like the fight and all that, or, you know, whatever.

[01:01:05] But like, I think that he is the type of person that's willing to look at all the different factors, uh, including, you know, how he factors into that.

[01:01:15] And, um, yeah, it was, he, he, I think he recognizes that some of that is on him and that, you know, you commit to the run.

[01:01:27] You got to commit to the run.

[01:01:29] You got to get, you know, you get, you got to do it.

[01:01:31] Even if it feels like you need to get, you know, more than three yards on this play.

[01:01:35] Um, I don't know.

[01:01:36] Again, that's a little bit, you know, more outside of my, my depth in terms of like tactically how you're calling a game.

[01:01:43] But it's pretty clear that if he sits out there and he says all the time, Hey, we got to do the run.

[01:01:48] We got to, we got to establish one.

[01:01:49] We got to establish a run and we got to stop the run.

[01:01:51] We got to establish the run.

[01:01:52] Yeah.

[01:01:52] And we immediately give up trying to establish the run.

[01:01:56] It, you know, it's not a good look.

[01:01:58] It's really, it just.

[01:02:00] Just, you're right.

[01:02:01] We do need to establish a run.

[01:02:02] I believe you do that.

[01:02:04] So we should.

[01:02:05] Let's keep doing that.

[01:02:07] Um, thank you for your comment, uh, chancellor.

[01:02:09] Uh, before just, you know, we're going to do a little, just a quick preview our thoughts on the next game Falcons game, but anything else on the bears?

[01:02:20] I mean, I just, I, I kind of, I'm ready to move on from.

[01:02:24] Yeah, I have, uh, I, I, I, I wanted to touch on a couple of things.

[01:02:27] We don't know, um, a lot of the details, but here are the injuries that we had this week.

[01:02:36] We had Clowney.

[01:02:38] We had Trimble.

[01:02:39] We had Moten.

[01:02:41] We had Leggett.

[01:02:42] We had Corbett.

[01:02:44] All key players.

[01:02:45] That is really bad.

[01:02:48] Um, but who are you most concerned about?

[01:02:54] Okay.

[01:02:55] So Clowney.

[01:02:57] Yeah.

[01:02:57] Trimble.

[01:02:59] Moten.

[01:03:00] Leggett.

[01:03:01] And Corbett.

[01:03:03] Um, I would say I'm most, I don't like the fact that Leggett is injured, but I don't think that his is going to be anything serious.

[01:03:12] Um, Trimble.

[01:03:14] I'm concerned about him just as a human being.

[01:03:16] That looked awful.

[01:03:18] Uh, I hope he's, I hope he's good, but I think hope Jatavian Sanders can up his game.

[01:03:25] And I think Ian Thomas is, he, he would, Ian Thomas returned to practice this week.

[01:03:30] And he's, he, he who shall not be cut reinforcements are on the way.

[01:03:35] Ian Thomas.

[01:03:37] He is on the way, baby.

[01:03:40] We're good, man.

[01:03:42] Um, no, the fact that, uh, yeah, we, I'm not as concerned.

[01:03:47] I'd say that I'd say Corbett and Moten mainly Corbett because, um, Moten, do you know what his injury was?

[01:03:54] I didn't see.

[01:03:55] It was a, I think it was an elbow.

[01:03:57] It was an elbow, something, I think.

[01:03:59] Um, Corbett Corbett is, he is, um, I think it was a bicep.

[01:04:06] I don't know if it was a torn bicep or not.

[01:04:09] I haven't seen all the details on that, but he has, he's the anchor to the offensive line.

[01:04:15] He is the center and he, you know, we talked about it before the season started.

[01:04:21] You know, I was, we were both worried the fact that he had never played that position before in an NFL, an NFL game.

[01:04:29] But he, the first four weeks, he was fantastic.

[01:04:32] So good ball balled out.

[01:04:35] So good.

[01:04:36] And so for him to go down and presumably he's going to be out for a while, that is going to, that is really going to change the dynamic of our offensive line.

[01:04:48] Um, and yeah, I don't know.

[01:04:52] I'm worried about it because, uh, our offensive line has been really good up to this point with pass protection and run blocking.

[01:05:02] And not having Corbett out there.

[01:05:05] Yeah.

[01:05:06] Sandwiched in between Hunt and Lewis.

[01:05:08] And it's, it's going to be, was it Christensen that came in today in relief?

[01:05:15] Um, I mean, it wasn't much of a relief, but yeah.

[01:05:19] Um, it's, it's very concerning.

[01:05:21] And this goes all the way back to my biggest, uh, gripe after the draft was the fact that we did not draft a center.

[01:05:30] Yeah, me too.

[01:05:31] Both of us.

[01:05:32] We both thought that like I wanted Jackson Powers, Johnson or someone, one of those top centers in the draft.

[01:05:39] And we had it, it was right there.

[01:05:42] And I'll be honest.

[01:05:43] And I've seen a couple of people mentioned this on, on Twitter.

[01:05:47] I'm kind of, maybe I'll be singing a different tune a few weeks from now after Jonathan Brooks returns and, you know, is tearing it up.

[01:05:58] But I kind of questioned that pick right now, right now.

[01:06:02] I may not in a few weeks and a few weeks, Jonathan Brooks may come out and look like a damn pro bowler.

[01:06:09] I don't know.

[01:06:09] But we had in that second round, Jackson Powers, Johnson was right there.

[01:06:15] Yeah.

[01:06:16] And we could have picked him and we still could have started Corbett and had Powers, Johnson be the backup.

[01:06:23] And now we're in a situation where we have another guy in Christensen who also is, is not, that's not his natural position.

[01:06:33] Yeah.

[01:06:33] Somebody needs to call Jason Kelsey.

[01:06:35] Can you come out of retirement for us?

[01:06:38] Yeah.

[01:06:39] You can still play.

[01:06:40] Yeah, for sure.

[01:06:42] You just have to stop drinking quite as much beer.

[01:06:45] Have you seen those moonshine commercials?

[01:06:48] No.

[01:06:49] For Jason Kelsey.

[01:06:49] Oh man.

[01:06:50] They're so hilarious.

[01:06:51] He's so funny.

[01:06:52] He's, he's a good actor too.

[01:06:54] Yeah.

[01:06:54] Their podcast is pretty funny.

[01:06:57] But I do think that, you know, a couple of things on that.

[01:07:01] I think Chuba has been better than we thought he was going to be.

[01:07:04] So he almost hit a hundred yards again this week.

[01:07:10] Seven and a half yards per carry.

[01:07:13] He has looked awesome.

[01:07:16] He has looked awesome.

[01:07:17] Now, if he had been the Chuba from a couple of years ago who couldn't catch a ball and some of that kind of stuff, then it makes the Jonathan Brooks pick, you know, look even better.

[01:07:26] So I think that we just need to be happy about the fact that Hubbard has been better than we thought he was going to be.

[01:07:33] Canales continues to tell us that the running game is where everything needs to start.

[01:07:37] We have Chuba who has looked great.

[01:07:41] We have Michael Sanders who has not currently looked great, but when he had a great offensive line, he was a thousand plus yard rusher.

[01:07:47] And now we got the best running back in the draft and Jonathan Brooks, you know, coming in.

[01:07:53] So if we are building on the foundation of running the ball, then we now have the workhorses necessary to be able to do that.

[01:08:03] And yeah, Mike, totally agree with you.

[01:08:05] They didn't give Chuba the ball enough this week.

[01:08:08] I think they know that they got to continue to feed him.

[01:08:12] But I don't know.

[01:08:13] I'm not a hindsight, like I'm not a hindsight, hindsight, right?

[01:08:19] Like, like coulda, woulda, shoulda.

[01:08:21] There's a lot of things that could have gone differently in that draft.

[01:08:23] Who in the hell knows, you know, what they all would be and how the Domino's might have fallen differently.

[01:08:27] If the Cowboys had been able to draft, you know, Jonathan Brooks and stuff like they wanted to and whatever.

[01:08:35] But I don't know.

[01:08:36] We are in the situation that we're in right now.

[01:08:38] We knew we could have used another center.

[01:08:40] We draft, we, you know, we kept Brady Christensen around because he is a very versatile player.

[01:08:45] He did almost cost us a safety, you know, in the game with some errant snapping.

[01:08:52] But, you know, obviously that's not what he's been doing, you know, every day in practice.

[01:08:59] So I'm going to hold out on like, like say Mayday, Mayday sending out SOSs.

[01:09:06] But Corbett is who I'm most concerned about as well because he had been so good.

[01:09:10] The offensive line had been so dominant.

[01:09:11] I am a little bit bummed Moten has been such a rock and has been kind of a stalwart on that offensive line with his continued, you know, continued presence, I guess is the best way to say it.

[01:09:26] But I think functionally the biggest problem is going to be Corbett if he can't go.

[01:09:33] Clowney hasn't been, you know, getting to the quarterback as much as we wanted.

[01:09:38] Trimble's been in and out with injury as well.

[01:09:42] But, man, the center to quarterback exchange is like the most important one.

[01:09:48] So that's my biggest concern for sure.

[01:09:54] Yep.

[01:09:55] Not good.

[01:09:58] It will be very interesting to see how the team looks, like who's actually on the field next week with all these injuries.

[01:10:06] Let's talk Falcons.

[01:10:08] And then we'll get out of here after that.

[01:10:12] Falcons are 3-2.

[01:10:15] 2-2 at home.

[01:10:17] 3-2 overall.

[01:10:19] I believe we're at home.

[01:10:21] It's in Charlotte next week, right?

[01:10:23] Home game.

[01:10:24] Yeah, I think so.

[01:10:25] So Falcons coming in.

[01:10:28] You, I think, correct me if I'm wrong, but I think you and I both picked the Falcons to win the NFC South.

[01:10:35] Did we not?

[01:10:37] I know I did before the season.

[01:10:39] I don't remember exactly.

[01:10:41] It sounds about right.

[01:10:42] They, so the first couple weeks they were looking kind of meh.

[01:10:48] But, you know, going into that Buccaneers-Falcons game, did you watch, did you get to catch any of that or did you just kind of see that?

[01:10:57] I did.

[01:10:57] I did.

[01:10:58] I didn't, unfortunately, I didn't finish it.

[01:11:02] It's a great ending.

[01:11:03] I know.

[01:11:04] But it was a really entertaining game.

[01:11:06] Yeah.

[01:11:07] And I will say that the Falcons are better than I thought they were going to be.

[01:11:12] Like, I thought they were going to be okay, but I think that there are times where they look really, really good.

[01:11:17] So, they're, well, they're, I would say that game against the Buccaneers, now, in no way, shape, or form, did I think that Kirk Cousins was going to be throwing for 500-plus yards and four touchdowns.

[01:11:31] Right, right, right, right, right.

[01:11:31] And I don't think that he'll do that again this season.

[01:11:34] But I think the first couple weeks for the Falcons was, I guess I was a little surprised at how bad they looked.

[01:11:44] But I thought that they were going to, like I said, I picked them to win the division.

[01:11:47] But the first couple weeks, the first two, three weeks, the Buccaneers were actually, you know, looking like the best team in the NFC South.

[01:11:57] Yeah.

[01:11:57] But the Falcons, I'm looking at this game, and B. John Robinson has been kind of underwhelming.

[01:12:05] I don't know if you've kind of followed how he's played up to this point this season.

[01:12:09] But he hasn't, do you have him on a fantasy team?

[01:12:13] At all?

[01:12:14] Because if you do, you're probably disappointed.

[01:12:16] No, no, no.

[01:12:17] He just, no, but he is, but no, I've been paying attention to it because I'm from Atlanta.

[01:12:24] So I at least pay a little attention.

[01:12:26] And he has, he just had him look like the same player that he used to be for sure.

[01:12:30] Yeah, I don't know if it's, I mean, I still think that he's an amazing talent.

[01:12:34] I just, I don't think they're using him quite right.

[01:12:38] And they're throwing the ball a lot.

[01:12:39] I mean, Kirk Cousins threw it 58 times against the Buccaneers.

[01:12:44] They've got some weapons.

[01:12:45] I mean, Drake London, obviously.

[01:12:47] Drake London's good.

[01:12:49] He had 12 catches for 154 yards against the Buccaneers.

[01:12:53] He's Darnell Mooney, which if you remember back in the summer, back in the summer, we did a podcast episode where we broke down the top 10 free agent wide receivers that the Panthers could go after.

[01:13:08] Mr. Mooney was on that list.

[01:13:11] And we talked about him and we talked about how, you know, kind of, I kind of felt like he didn't get a fair shake in Chicago.

[01:13:20] You know, he, he had inconsistent quarterback play.

[01:13:26] He then was, you know, playing second fiddle to DJ Moore last season.

[01:13:32] And just didn't get a lot of opportunities.

[01:13:37] And I mean, he looks like a, he looks like a beast right now with the Falcons as their number two.

[01:13:44] Yeah.

[01:13:45] And I mean, Cousins going down there.

[01:13:47] I do have Drake London on a fantasy team.

[01:13:50] So that was, that was excellent.

[01:13:52] But no, I mean, I think that, I think they've looked pretty good.

[01:13:54] I think that they were, I thought they were going to be good, but I thought they had flashes of like, just, you know, looking a little bit better, like in the, in this Bucks game.

[01:14:02] Like they looked, they looked really good.

[01:14:04] The Bucks looked really good though, too.

[01:14:05] Like it was a, it was a, it was a good game.

[01:14:08] I will say that of the two times that we play Atlanta, I just pulled up, it took me a minute to kind of like find my spreadsheet from beginning of the year when we did our roster predictions.

[01:14:16] But I did have the Panthers beating Atlanta this coming week as my, I had them splitting.

[01:14:23] And so this is the one that I think they're going to win.

[01:14:26] And I'm going to, I'm going to put my stamp on it right here.

[01:14:29] Wow.

[01:14:30] So you're picking them to win.

[01:14:31] You're picking the Panthers.

[01:14:32] I'm calling the Panthers win.

[01:14:33] I'm calling the Panthers win right now.

[01:14:36] I'm going to do it.

[01:14:36] I'm going to do it.

[01:14:37] I love it.

[01:14:37] I love the confidence.

[01:14:39] You know, I think that.

[01:14:41] Hey, who, who else, who else are there?

[01:14:42] If you're listening, you're in one of our chats.

[01:14:45] Let us know.

[01:14:46] Are the Panthers knocking off the Falcons this week?

[01:14:50] How's this game going to go?

[01:14:51] Yeah.

[01:14:52] Who's winning?

[01:14:53] Is it going to be Panthers?

[01:14:54] Is it going to be the Falcons?

[01:14:56] Let us know.

[01:14:57] Yeah.

[01:14:58] I think that for one, I think that our offense will have a much easier time against the Falcons

[01:15:05] defense than we did against the Bears defense.

[01:15:08] I think that we can actually move the ball a little bit better than we were able to do today.

[01:15:14] Please, for the love of God.

[01:15:17] My number one, my number one thing that I want to see from this team, because I've, I'm not,

[01:15:25] I don't want to use the term giving up on the defense, on our defense.

[01:15:28] But like I said earlier, they're not going to be good.

[01:15:32] The defense is not good.

[01:15:34] It's a bad unit.

[01:15:35] We've got injuries everywhere.

[01:15:37] It's, it's, they're relatively depleted of talent in general.

[01:15:41] They're not going to be good.

[01:15:42] So the Falcons are going to put up points on us.

[01:15:45] So the Panthers are going to have to do the same.

[01:15:48] Um, but the number one thing I want to see, please, Dave Canales, feed Chuba, feed Chuba,

[01:15:55] get him the ball.

[01:15:56] I want to see him have at least, at least 20 carries.

[01:16:02] 13 is not enough.

[01:16:03] That's that to me, that's inexcusable with how well he runs, how he always falls forward.

[01:16:10] He always seems to gain positive yardage.

[01:16:13] Always.

[01:16:13] I mean, it's, I just don't, I don't understand it.

[01:16:16] I don't understand why we're going away from it.

[01:16:18] So please, for the love of God, run the damn ball against the Falcons.

[01:16:24] And I hope, fingers crossed, I hope that Xavier Leggett is back out there.

[01:16:30] Um, if he has to miss time, so be it.

[01:16:32] But we need him.

[01:16:34] Um, and you know what?

[01:16:36] Um, and I've seen a lot of people say this and I a hundred percent agree.

[01:16:40] Jalen Coker needs to be getting Jonathan Mingo's snaps right now.

[01:16:45] Jalen Coker is a better receiver than Mingo.

[01:16:47] I don't even, I think it's clear.

[01:16:50] I think it's clear.

[01:16:51] Watching those games.

[01:16:53] And I mean, I know the coaches and everybody in that building know a lot more than we do,

[01:16:59] but it's, I mean, when you watch that game today, sometimes you just kind of have to go with who

[01:17:05] passes the eye test and Jalen Coker just looks like a better player than Mingo.

[01:17:12] So I'd like to see him get some of those opportunities.

[01:17:14] Mingo two receptions for 37 yards.

[01:17:18] Yeah.

[01:17:18] He just had a couple of catches.

[01:17:20] Yeah.

[01:17:20] But we wanted Coker to be on the team, uh, when he was cut and we were, we were trying to figure out

[01:17:25] how many players were going to be left on there.

[01:17:27] And, uh, it is great to see him having his shot.

[01:17:31] He did everything he could today to take advantage of it, to prove that he needs a larger role inside

[01:17:37] the offense.

[01:17:38] And, um, you know, I hope the powers that be who are keeping an eye on things and making

[01:17:44] those decisions, um, you know, concur with, with our position on it, you know?

[01:17:51] Yep.

[01:17:51] Chancellor put up this comment here.

[01:17:54] The only way the Panthers win is if Canalis actually is stubborn running.

[01:17:58] Yes.

[01:17:59] And doesn't rely on Mingo to be wide receiver too.

[01:18:02] Yes.

[01:18:02] And Evero switches schemes to four, three.

[01:18:05] Hey, I don't think that's going to happen mid season, but, um, I've seen a lot of people

[01:18:10] talk about that.

[01:18:11] I don't think the fans are not feeling the three, four scheme.

[01:18:15] Um, now in saying that, I mean, I think it's last year.

[01:18:19] I, well, that's the thing.

[01:18:21] I think we need to remember.

[01:18:23] We don't have the personnel.

[01:18:25] Yeah.

[01:18:26] We don't have the players to execute the scheme right now.

[01:18:30] Like we are bereft of talent and we just lost, and I don't know how long he's going to be

[01:18:35] out, but we just lost Jadavian Clowney today.

[01:18:39] Jack Thompson's out.

[01:18:40] Josie Jewell is out.

[01:18:43] We don't have Derrick Brown's out.

[01:18:45] We don't have the guys to execute his scheme.

[01:18:48] Last year we had a top 10 defense with the three, four scheme.

[01:18:53] So I don't, uh, and you and I, like we've, like we say all the time, like we're not the

[01:18:57] biggest X's and O's guys on the planet.

[01:19:01] Um, but at the same time, it's like, we're not going to switch to a four, three, obviously

[01:19:06] mid season.

[01:19:08] Um, I don't know.

[01:19:09] I just think if we had better players, if we had better talent, I think our defense would

[01:19:13] be playing better.

[01:19:14] I think it's pretty simple.

[01:19:15] Yeah.

[01:19:16] It's a perfect example of recency bias where we have recently seen our team get their asses

[01:19:21] kicked with a three, four.

[01:19:23] So the three, four sucks.

[01:19:24] Uh, but if we keep it in perspective and recognize that, Hey, it performed very well for us last

[01:19:28] year.

[01:19:28] We just don't have the, you know, the workhorses in the right places, uh, to, to perform it at the

[01:19:34] same level as we do this year, but that was never the point.

[01:19:36] Like it was, we were never going to have as good a defense this year as we did last year.

[01:19:41] We never were because we mortgaged a number of our larger pieces on the defense to be able to

[01:19:46] increase, um, you know, uh, effectiveness on the offense, including mainly the offensive line.

[01:19:52] And we've done that.

[01:19:53] So it's moving in the right direction.

[01:19:55] We knew this is what it was going to have to happen, but it was, but, but the domino effect

[01:20:00] is that we now have enough people, uh, on the offensive side of the ball to be able to

[01:20:05] evaluate some of the young talent that we have, um, and determine on, you know, what

[01:20:09] their role is going to be as we move into the future.

[01:20:11] So unfortunately, uh, the defense is worse this year than it was last year, but not surprisingly

[01:20:18] so.

[01:20:18] And it is necessarily so much worse.

[01:20:22] Yeah.

[01:20:23] But we know we have a much better offensive line.

[01:20:25] So whoever we put behind there, you know, should have a lot more time than they did last

[01:20:30] year.

[01:20:30] We know we have some good running backs.

[01:20:32] So, you know, when we establish the run, we can do that.

[01:20:35] We have Deontay Johnson, who's like a one B and Leggett has looked good in some instances.

[01:20:40] Right.

[01:20:40] So like we, we, we just need to develop the people on the offensive side of the ball that

[01:20:45] we have next year in the off season.

[01:20:47] I don't know what we're going to do about quarterback, but we will address the defense

[01:20:51] one, 1000%.

[01:20:52] Um, it's just, this is not a, this is not a three week turnaround project.

[01:20:58] It's not, the Panthers are not a three week turnaround.

[01:21:00] They're a two year turnaround, two to three years.

[01:21:03] And so we're, we're five games into a two to three year turnaround.

[01:21:08] It's, it's gonna, it's, it's, you know what I mean?

[01:21:13] But, but it's the reality of the situation.

[01:21:16] And I know I'm just trying to protect your sensitive heart, Ben.

[01:21:19] I know you want the Panthers to win.

[01:21:21] And I know you want them to win so bad, but I don't want you to have unreal.

[01:21:26] I sense that your heart.

[01:21:28] Man.

[01:21:29] Listen, I've tried to be, I feel like I've been pretty grounded and realistic about my

[01:21:35] expectations this season.

[01:21:36] I mean, I think it's been easier for you without Bryce starting.

[01:21:40] I think it's been, I think it's been a little bit easier for you.

[01:21:43] Well, yeah.

[01:21:43] I mean, I was after that, after that Chargers game that I was there for in person, I was

[01:21:50] 100% on board with benching Bryce.

[01:21:54] But no, I think I've been, you know, we've both tried to be, tried to temper our expectations

[01:21:58] coming into this season.

[01:22:00] And you know what?

[01:22:01] We're one in four.

[01:22:02] And if you would have told me before the season started that after five weeks, we would be

[01:22:07] one in four.

[01:22:08] I probably would have said, yeah, that checks out.

[01:22:11] But you're muted again.

[01:22:16] Fine.

[01:22:17] No, but that's not right.

[01:22:18] Yeah.

[01:22:18] I would have said that checks out.

[01:22:19] But at the same time, I didn't think that we would look this inept like we did today.

[01:22:29] Here's the thing.

[01:22:29] I don't, I think we need to change our mindset on this and I'm going to get like a little

[01:22:33] philosophical.

[01:22:35] We are not like, we're not inept.

[01:22:39] We're inconsistent.

[01:22:42] Thank you.

[01:22:42] Like we have played well, the previous two games, we played much better than we did for

[01:22:49] the vast majority of the game today.

[01:22:50] We played much better than we did the first two games.

[01:22:52] Not just at the quarterback position.

[01:22:56] Like defense was still pretty bad, but not as bad as today, I guess.

[01:23:01] Yeah.

[01:23:01] But like, of course we're going to give up some points, but we know our defense isn't,

[01:23:05] isn't going to be great.

[01:23:06] I just, as I watch it, I just feel like that we're not consistent in some of the things

[01:23:12] we can do the things.

[01:23:14] Well, we're not, we're not terrible.

[01:23:17] Like, you know, any given play, but if you look at it in totality, if you look at it in

[01:23:22] like the consistency of week to week to week, we're not consistent with the exception of

[01:23:29] the offensive line kind of coming into this week, which was relatively consistently good.

[01:23:33] We haven't been incredibly consistent.

[01:23:36] I think that's a large portion of it.

[01:23:38] I don't know who, I don't know where that falls, but I don't feel like we're incompetent.

[01:23:42] I feel like we're just not always as good as we could be.

[01:23:46] And that's one of the things that Canalis is trying to change from a culture perspective

[01:23:49] is coming in on there.

[01:23:51] You know, he has his day for, you know, what Wednesdays are and Thursdays are and Fridays

[01:23:55] are.

[01:23:55] And like, he, like he is all about consistency and coming in and winning the down and then

[01:23:59] winning the day and like winning those things.

[01:24:01] And we are winning some of those things.

[01:24:03] We're just not winning them as consistently as we want to.

[01:24:06] So like we're like, we can choose to be super negative about it in our heads and say

[01:24:13] like, Hey, we're incompetent or we can say we have good opportunities.

[01:24:19] We're just inconsistent and not taking advantage of them.

[01:24:22] It may be semantics, but I, but it's like a, it's like a positive thinking versus a negative

[01:24:27] thinking or a, what are we missing versus a growth, you know, mindset type thing.

[01:24:32] Yeah.

[01:24:33] All good points.

[01:24:34] So we'll, we'll end it here.

[01:24:36] What, and you kind of touched on a little bit, but like, I just wonder what's next.

[01:24:41] Um, and for me, I guess this is where my head's at right now.

[01:24:47] The defense, like I've said, like we've said, the defense is going to continue to be bad,

[01:24:53] most likely.

[01:24:54] And we said this, we even said this before I said this before the bears game.

[01:24:59] I was like, the, we're going to continue to have defensive performances.

[01:25:03] Like we had, you know, weeks one and two and four, you know, the, the bad, the bad

[01:25:11] performances that we had had up to that point, the Raiders game was, was good, but everything,

[01:25:16] every other defensive performance has, has been underwhelming to extremely disappointing.

[01:25:22] Um, and so we're going to continue to struggle on defense.

[01:25:27] We're going to continue to struggle stopping the run and we're going to continue to give

[01:25:31] up big plays.

[01:25:32] Um, I think to your point, the offense has been inconsistent.

[01:25:38] Um, it's not that they're completely inept.

[01:25:41] It's just that they're not executing on a consistent basis.

[01:25:45] And I'm sure some of that is on the players and some of that is on the coaching.

[01:25:49] Uh, and I, I, I have faith that they're going to hopefully get it fixed.

[01:25:53] Um, but I'm not, uh, you know, that Raiders game, I feel like that gave a lot of fans kind

[01:26:02] of false hope.

[01:26:04] Um, it was a great performance overall by the offense and the defense, but unfortunately right

[01:26:11] now, I feel like we're, we're looking at probably seeing more performances, um, like we've, like

[01:26:18] we've seen against, you know, the bears or the chargers, um, or, or the bangles.

[01:26:24] But I would take, that's the thing is even if we're losing, I would take a performance like

[01:26:29] we had against the bangles where like we, we put points up and we looked, um, like a

[01:26:35] professional football team today.

[01:26:37] We did not look like that.

[01:26:38] And I just, I hope that we can continue to establish some sort of, uh, consistency because

[01:26:45] that's what it's all about is like, you got to get to a point where you're

[01:26:49] consistent with your process and then the results follow.

[01:26:52] And we're just not, we're not there right now.

[01:26:56] Yeah.

[01:26:56] But I think that the, I think the key is if we continue to put ourselves in the same type

[01:27:00] of positions that we did against the bangles, those will start turning into wins.

[01:27:08] Like that to me, that's the thing is like, we're going to have more of those games.

[01:27:13] We're going to have some really shitty games too, but we're going to have more of those

[01:27:17] games where we're competing.

[01:27:19] And the more of those games that we can, the more of those positions and the situations

[01:27:24] that we can put ourselves into as a team, the more we're going to win.

[01:27:29] But we, we got to get ourselves into those positions to let the laws of probability, you

[01:27:36] know, kind of do their thing so that we, so that we can start coming out on top of, on

[01:27:41] some of those.

[01:27:42] And so, you know, to me, we just got to keep putting our heads down and trying to win the

[01:27:49] down, win the down, win the down, win, win, win the gap, win the block, you know, win the

[01:27:57] swim move, like what, whatever it is, like we have to go out and focus on winning that

[01:28:02] down.

[01:28:03] And if the more of that, that we can do, the more times that we can go out in there

[01:28:07] and, and, and successfully win it, the more opportunities we're going to put ourselves

[01:28:11] into the, uh, you know, opportunity to, to not just win on the one-on-one battle, but

[01:28:16] the win the position group.

[01:28:17] And then when on that side of the ball, when in the trenches, whatever it is, um, I think

[01:28:22] that's what Canalys is trying to kind of impart on the guys is like, listen, yeah, shitty

[01:28:27] game didn't go the way that we wanted it to.

[01:28:29] We all have things to work on myself included with my play calling, but we're all going

[01:28:33] to go out there and focus on winning the down, win the down, win the down, win the down.

[01:28:38] And whenever, you know, people start believing in that people start doing it, then we're

[01:28:42] going to start seeing more results.

[01:28:43] Yeah.

[01:28:45] Well said, I think it's a good place to end it.

[01:28:48] Um, just want to thank everybody.

[01:28:49] We've we're right at just about 200 people that have tuned in.

[01:28:54] So we just want to say thank you to everybody.

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[01:29:21] Uh, we will be back a week from today.

[01:29:25] Hopefully to talk about a better performance.

[01:29:27] Hopefully to talk about a W as you have boldly predicted.

[01:29:31] Good sir.

[01:29:32] Heard it here first.

[01:29:33] Heard it here first.

[01:29:34] Uh, Panthers over Falcons.

[01:29:35] We're going to beat them.

[01:29:36] Um, we'll see.

[01:29:39] I believe.

[01:29:39] But, uh, everybody have a, uh, do what?

[01:29:42] I believe.

[01:29:43] You believe?

[01:29:44] All right.

[01:29:44] If you believe, I believe.

[01:29:46] Yeah.

[01:29:46] We're going to get that done.

[01:29:47] Hey, listen, analysis is our Ted Lasso.

[01:29:49] Like, you know, we'll put an I believe sign.

[01:29:52] We'll tape it up above the door.

[01:29:54] He's our dude.

[01:29:55] Let's go.

[01:29:56] Let's, let's go.

[01:29:57] Come on.

[01:29:57] Let's do it.

[01:29:58] Two and four, baby on the way.

[01:30:01] All right.

[01:30:01] Well, everybody, uh, thanks again for tuning in.

[01:30:03] Um, have a great rest of your week and we'll see you in about a week.

[01:30:07] Keep pounding.